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- Newsgroups: soc.men
- Path: sparky!uunet!idm.com!rjr
- From: rjr@idm.com (Ray J Rueb)
- Subject: Mytho-Poetic men's movement (Warriors)
- Message-ID: <BzqLE8.CHz@idm.com>
- Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 00:01:20 GMT
- Distribution: world,public
- Organization: Information Data Management
- Keywords: Real issues for men
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- >> polly@iastate.edu (Y. B. Normal) writes:
- >>AAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGG!!!!!!!
- >>
- >>I have heard enough about circumcision.
- >>at least the anal sex discussion is about sex.
- >>
- >>Paula
-
- > sdoe@nmsu.edu (Stephen Doe) writes:
- >
- >Hear, hear! I've learned more than I ever needed or wanted to know
- >about circumcision. Let's start kill this thread, please.
- >
- >SD
-
- Personally, I have felt bored with this newsgroup recently...
- Though the shaving stuff of late is worth a couple of smiles.
-
- SOOOOO....
-
- [Note: this is long, but I feel the real men's stuff is at the end]
-
- dgross@polyslo.csc.calpoly.EDU (Dave Gross) recently posted an
- introduction to men's movements (V 2.1) containing what I consider
- a very rough description of the Mythopoetic Men's Movement.
- It characterizes this rather large and diverse movement as "These are
- the ones you see on TV and in magazines wearing masks and beating drums".
- I feel this really is turning a caricature into ridicule. I felt hurt
- because Dave has totally missed the point of Robert Bly et al. I feel
- that their position is more one of: HEAL YOURSELF before you try to
- heal the world. I also feel that the drums, mythology and poetry are
- strong metaphors for the personal power in each of us; they are not an
- end unto themselves.
-
- I am a member of an organization known as ``Warriors''.
- Some of the men I know appeared on the Donohue show.
- The term ``Warrior'' is a metaphor for that part inside each of us which
- enables us to overcome our fear and deal with our problems. This metaphor
- is described in the book _King Warrior Magician Lover_ by Robert Moore and
- Douglas Gillette. As an organization, the Warriors sponsor weekends where
- men come to deal with one issue in their life which is holding them back.
- It is an emotionally wrenching weekend.
- It is NOT as Jon Tevlin writes of his ``Wild Man Weekend'':
- "How did I get to this particular orange shag carpet at
- this particular Methodist bible camp in Mound, Minnesota,
- crawling around with a dozen middle-aged men with torn
- athletic socks and smelly feet, snorting and mooing and
- sniffing under the orders of a diminutive psychologist
- from San Francisco."
- Indeed, a Warrior weekend is NOT a ``Wild Man Weekend''; I have seen men
- howl and scream in their pain, but NO ONE _E_V_E_R_ MOO'ED!!!
- The Warriors also sponsor support (integration) groups after the weekend.
-
- The way it seems to work is that the weekend tends to open the door;
- a first step on a path to healing. The support groups pick up where the
- weekend leaves off by providing a SAFE place for discussion, growth and
- personal work.
-
- The following might seem to be advertisement, but I feel I must include
- it to dispel the notion that the Warriors is some kind of ``cult'',
- which it is not. The cost for the weekend is currently $550.00. It was
- $450.00 two years ago when I went through my weekend (Nov `90). The cost
- for the support groups is $100.00 for the first eight weeks. Thereafter
- it is free. [If you want more information call (312) WARRIOR and ask for
- a brochure.] The members of the support group are taught to lead themselves
- in their work. If group members find they need professional help to deal
- with a specific issue they can use their existing therapist, or, many
- warriors are trained psycho-therapists and accept other warriors as
- short term patients. These sessions tend to be extremely focused since
- the group member is usually ready to work.
-
- As you can see, the Warriors is not a cult, nor is it a religion. The
- Warriors is also not a social organization. It exists to serve a purpose.
- They have no financial interests except to continue to grow the weekends.
- The organization is structured closer to AA than a religion. The weekend
- and integration groups function nothing like AA meetings.
-
- There are Warrior weekends held in: Chicago, Milwaukee,
- Minnesota, San Diego, Indianapolis, Washington D.C., Houston, Philadelphia
- amongst other locations. At least five new locations are expected to be
- added next year. Each weekend is sponsored by a local organization.
- There is one full time executive director who reports to an unpaid, elected
- board of directors. There is no other full time staff. The weekends have
- at most 30 participants with an equal number of staff members. Most staff
- members are unpaid or pay a small fee. Many staff members are psychology
- professionals. There is always a physician on staff, and the warrior
- organization has a high limit on their liability insurance. When I staff
- a weekend (I recently staffed my second weekend), I do it because I
- believe in this process. I have seen the change that it brings to many men.
-
- After my weekend I was quickly able to drop my therapist of 2 1/2 years.
- I clearly was making much more progress with my integration group than
- in my therapist's office. On my weekend I felt emotional pain and anger;
- the first feelings I had allowed myself in many years. Many men cried on
- my weekend, though I did not. I have since learned to grieve, and to feel
- joy. In fact, until men in my support group modeled it for me, I did not
- know what joy was.
-
- My recent work has been to uncover and feel my feelings surrounding an
- episode of abuse that occurred when I was ten. This is but one of my
- wounds that I am healing through my Warrior work: I am still unable to
- contribute to charities or to do charity related work (even at Christmas);
- I still feel the need to put others down to `prove' that I am better;
- I still fear being `controlled' by men with power over me; I feel unworthy
- of praise and will self destruct to prove it; I endeavor to become and
- remain a victim; the list is sooooo long (heavy sigh).
-
- On the other hand, I have come far through my Warrior work: I am able to
- face another man's anger without fear; I am able to let a woman be angry
- without making her anger mine; my relationship with my daughter is soooo
- much better than my father's relationship with me; my wife and I can
- communicate our wants, needs and desires (though there is still quite a
- power struggle going on between us); I trust myself; I love and accept
- myself; I love and accept others, just the way they are.
-
- Now, aren't these real men's issues?
-
- Ray (Angry Fox) Rueb
-
- Oh, ahhhh.... usual disclaimers do apply, don't they?
-