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- From: levine@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Lenore Levine)
- Newsgroups: soc.feminism
- Subject: Re: Version Five -- I better shut up!
- Date: 27 Dec 1992 07:32:14 GMT
- Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
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- gazit@cs.duke.edu (Hillel Gazit) writes:
-
- >In article <199212212056.AA24308@altair.math.uiuc.edu>
- >levine@symcom.math.uiuc.EDU (Lenore Levine) writes:
-
- >>I think the fourth category of antifeminist posters is not as obvious.
- >>I suspect that many of the male posters, complaining how they
- >>have been mistreated (on the job, in academia, or in the courts),
- >>actually have been. They are wrong only when they attribute this
- >>mistreatment to women (in general), affirmative action, or feminism.
-
- >How do you know?
-
- >What do you know about my life that you can say so surely that I'm
- >wrong when I say that I was discriminated against by affirmative action?
-
- Read more closely. I did not say that any *specific* poster was wrong,
- when they said they were discriminated against by affirmative action.
-
- I said that I *suspected* *many* of them were wrong -- but wrong for
- reasons not particularly to their discredit.
-
- I certainly know of at least one case where these suspicions are *very*
- likely to have a base in reality. (A friend of a friend lost custody
- of his child to a slick female user, and attributed the loss to
- discrimination against males. I observed that this person was very
- inarticulate and socially inept; and for these reasons, I suspected he
- was more the victim of an imperceptive judge than a sexist judge.)
-
- By the way, turn about is fair play. I think that some women who
- complain about sexism in the business world, just don't know how
- to defend themselves against backstabbers.
-
- Hillel, can you really deny that people in this culture fall too quickly
- for a slick sound byte? That they too often evaluate a situation by
- appearances, and do not take the time to find out what is really
- happening?
-
- Lenore Levine
-
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