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- From: mfterman@phoenix.princeton.EDU (Mutant for Hire)
- Subject: Re: my two cents about on
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- Date: 23 Dec 92 18:18:14 GMT
- References: <92Dec18.082916edt.38810@zooid.guild.org> <1h8ucfINN9mp@agate.berkeley.edu>
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- In article <1h8ucfINN9mp@agate.berkeley.edu>, mara@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) writes:
- >goid@zooid.guild.ORG (Will Steeves) writes:
- > >Perhaps this was true of only men's groups in the past, but with the
- > >growing power base in the women's movement, it seems that the same
- > >suspicions can now also be drawn about women-only groups...
-
- >I had in mind institutions like Harvard, Princeton, and Yale.
- >The Century Club. Assorted sports clubs. Business and
- >professional organizations (like Rotary International)
- >that had explicit charters restricting membership to men.
-
- You forgot the Boy Scouts. :)
-
- The problem is, that any group with restrictive membership allows
- social events where people can form connections and make deals that
- cut off people outside of that gender.
-
- It is worth pointing out that there are Organization/Society of/for
- Women <insert professional class> designed for the betterment of women
- in various professions that tend to be dominated by men. One may
- argue quite reasonably that these groups are designed to help
- women deal with the problems of being women in a field where their
- gender is a detriment, but the real question is whether there is
- any legal reason why a similar organization for men could not be
- allowed without disallowing ones for women in a non-gender-biased
- law?
-
- Also, women talk about all these women-only groups that make them
- feel safe and free to interact socially, but I also see other women
- feeling good about breaking open some male-only social organization
- such as one of the Princeton eating clubs. What if men want to have
- a male-only space that they feel is safe from women?
-
- >I would be most interested to see a comparable list of powerful
- >institutions on local, regional, national and international levels
- >that forbid access to men.
-
- Your whole argument is based on the fact that women are less powerful
- than men, hence women-only organizations can't do any of the things
- that male-only organizations can do. Remembering that one should never
- confuse virtue with lack of opportunity to sin, the question is as
- women improve their status will this situation always be the case?
-
- Also, if we are to have any pretense of equality under the law,
- laws about exclusionary organizations have to be written in such
- a form that distinct genders aren't written, we have to have some
- sort of policy on single-gender groups. Which way should the law
- fall, for or against them?
-
- --
- Martin Terman, Mutant for Hire, Mean Ol' Top, Priest of Shub-Internet
- Disclaimer: Nobody else takes me seriously, why should you be the first?
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