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- From: lukoff@byron.u.washington.edu (Fred Lukoff)
- Newsgroups: soc.college,alt.usage.english
- Subject: Re: Sexist language
- Date: 31 Dec 1992 19:28:52 GMT
- Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
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- References: <1992Dec17.091530.18924@ucthpx.uct.ac.za> <C04sD8.L3w@boi.hp.com>
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- In article <C04sD8.L3w@boi.hp.com> hypes@boi.hp.com (Gary Hypes) writes:
- >Heidi de Wet (heidi@ucthpx.uct.ac.za) wrote:
- >:
- >: Moreover, we should try not only to remove existing prejudices, but
- >: to prevent them forming in children's minds. Language shapes thought;
- >: if children are taught that the word for all people is 'man', and the
- >: word for a male person is 'man', they cannot avoid the inference that
- >: males are the dominant/important part of the human race. We simply
- >: can't afford to ignore language as a tool for avoiding prejudice.
- >:
- >
- >I wonder whether that argument is defensible. If children are taught
- >that "tire" means to grow weary, and that the word for the round things
- >underneath a car is "tire", I don't think children rush to assumptions
- >about the nature of material fatigue in rubber products.
- >
- >To my thinking, language is a representation of what society at large
- >does, says, and thinks. Attempts to artifically force linguistic
- >political correctness in France, for example (with their efforts to
- >eradicate the corrupting influences of English) have been wholesale
- >failures.
- >
- >The language will change when society changes; not the other way around.
- >
- >
- >- Gary Hypes -
-
- That is probably the best way of putting it I have seen on this group so
- far, Gary's last sentence. You can't legislate respect. You can still have
- the biggest male chauvinists running around with the most perfect speech.
-
- Ben Lukoff
-