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- From: iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Ivan A Derzhanski)
- Newsgroups: soc.college,alt.usage.english
- Subject: Re: Sexist language
- Message-ID: <12179@spark.ed.ac.uk>
- Date: 21 Dec 92 20:33:02 GMT
- References: <1992Dec14.171017.2005@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu> <1992Dec15.183449.21038@news.eng.convex.com> <12151@scott.ed.ac.uk> <1992Dec19.173552.5472@news.eng.convex.com> <MICHALJ.92Dec21105735@fizyk1.fuw.edu.pl>
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- In article <MICHALJ.92Dec21105735@fizyk1.fuw.edu.pl> michalj@fuw.edu.pl (Michal Jankowski) writes:
- >Is 'they' really used in the UK?
-
- Yes, it is. So is gender-neutral "he". It is really up to the speaker.
- I don't know whether either of the pronouns is more frequently preferred
- on one side of the lake than it is on the other.
-
- >(And don't use a quote from Shakespeare as a proof 8-) ).
-
- Shakespeare is dead, and so is his language. I have this theory that
- those fond of quoting his use of "they" ought to use "thou" as well.
-
- >Also, 'the rest of the world' don't speak English, it speaks Chinese.
-
- Make that "they speak Chinese". I reckon "the world" here was a
- shortcut for "the English-speaking world".
-
- >There are no gender-neutral pronouns (singular or plural or whatever)
- >in many languages, including my native Polish, and we're perfectly
- >happy with that. Maybe it's because in Polish 'grammatical gender' <>
- >'sex', so it's possible for a masculine gender word to refer to woman
- >and vice versa.
-
- Yes, but that happens very infrequently.
-
- It would be instructive to look at other languages in which gender is
- as tightly correlated with sex as it is in English, such as Bengali
- (which distinguishes between masculine and feminine `they') or the
- languages of Daghestan.
-
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- `D'ye mind tellin me whit the two o ye are gaun oan aboot?' (The Glasgow
- Ivan A Derzhanski (iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk; iad@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu) Gospel)
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