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- From: iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Ivan A Derzhanski)
- Newsgroups: soc.college,alt.usage.english
- Subject: Re: Shaking people up with "she"? (was Re: Sexist language)
- Message-ID: <12171@scott.ed.ac.uk>
- Date: 21 Dec 92 10:27:58 GMT
- References: <1992Dec14.205206.4540@cdf.toronto.edu> <1992Dec15.002645.1684@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> <1992Dec15.021930.7866@midway.uchicago.edu> <1992Dec15.182137.18930@news.eng.convex.com> <12149@scott.ed.ac.uk> <pelle.724894137@snakemail.hut.fi>
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- In article <pelle.724894137@snakemail.hut.fi> timo.pelkonen@hut.fi writes:
- >In <12149@scott.ed.ac.uk> iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Ivan A Derzhanski) writes:
- >>Finnish _ha"n_ [...] is part of everyone's language.
- >
- >is it? ...NOT! [...]
- >
- >in real life (spoken language) h{n is seldomly used.
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- I was aware of that, but I didn't consider it relevant enough to mention,
- because it doesn't change the point -- _se_ is exactly as gender-neutral
- as _ha"n_ is.
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- >i just can't recall when i heard h{n last time - of course the "bbc"
- >finnish used in TV is an exception.
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- But if you hear it on telly, or encounter it in writing, you recognise
- it as referring to a person (which makes it different from _se_) of
- either sex. In that sense it is part of your (passive) language, and
- of everybody else's. This is not the case for English, because for
- some English speakers "he" is always masculine, whereas for others
- "they" is always plural.
-
- >tnx, timo pelkonen tee-maw pehl-kaw-nhen :)
-
- Er, "nhen"? Is that Portuguese "nh" or Welsh "nh"? :-)
-
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- Ivan A Derzhanski (iad@cogsci.ed.ac.uk; iad@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu) Gospel)
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