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- From: h431@quads.uchicago.edu (heather e blair)
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- Subject: Re: Sexual consent (Was: Roy's "consenting" slave)
- Message-ID: <1993Jan3.180813.23665@midway.uchicago.edu>
- Date: 3 Jan 93 18:08:13 GMT
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- In article <1h3qciINNb4c@agate.berkeley.edu> mlloyd@ocf.berkeley.edu (M. Lloyd) asks about how to expand the "right to say no" territory:
- >
- >Sure is. Found any good routes, other than the self-defence course? I
- >don't want to learn agression (that's not what self-defence is about, I
- >know), so I will have nothing to do with the Fierceness brigade, and
- >their Warrior archetype. The very concept makes me sick. Still, a
- >little ability to hold fast when a confrontation, a "no", is required
- >would be rather useful.
- >
-
- Family (or couples) therapy was the other one. Self-defense is useful for
- learning physical techniques against physical aggression, so when Senator
- Packwood stands on your feet, grabs you by the hair and kisses you, you'll
- know how to get out of that hold and fight him. (for example). But a lot
- of the nay-saying territory I've been trying to expand is the ability to
- tell people things that I'm afraid they aren't going to like very much
- possibly to the point of yelling and screaming and vicious name-calling.
- (Or being cast out of their lives forever). This has taken lots and lots
- of practice, and I've been a much quicker student in the business realm
- than in the personal.
-
- Business example: I asked a professor to redirect his phone
- calls when I was talking to him. I was afraid he'd get pissed, but I
- asked it, and he did it - rather amiably.
-
- Personal example: I'm working up to telling my ex-girlfriend not to say
- certain nasty things about my love-life, past or present. I haven't done
- this yet, and I'm real scared, but I think I will when I form the request
- in an appropriate way.
-
- >[Bi-relevance is clearly nil, directly. I happen to think that several
- >people I know on this group want to know about this, though, so I'm
- >unsure what to do. We can go to email, or land in another group, but I
- >see disadvantages either way. At least I'm asking Heather, who must
- >hold the record for Best-Posts-In-Least-Words, and has held it for some
- >time.]
-
- Aww, shucks.
- >
- >Mike, who finds there is no contest whatsoever between Wimp and Warrior,
- >but would like to take a few excess out of the wimpishness
-
- But, Mike, think of this as assertiveness. It actually cuts way, way, down
- on one's desire to do violence to somebody. If you can stand up to people,
- tell them what you fear they won't want to hear, make them see that you are
- deadly serious, while being rational and polite, you'll find that your desire
- to flatten their noses has diminished.
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-
-
- --
-
- - Heather Blair h431@midway.uchicago.edu
-