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- From: miket@hermes.tcs.com (Michael Turner nmscore Assoc.)
- Subject: Square-dancing, anyone? (Was Re: Het males & bi-femmes)
- Message-ID: <1993Jan1.001304.8551@tcsi.com>
- Sender: news@tcsi.com
- Organization: Teknekron Communications Inc.
- References: <1992Dec27.204132.15473@netcom.com> <85883@ut-emx.uucp> <MUFFY.92Dec30141021@remarque.berkeley.edu>
- Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 00:13:04 GMT
- Lines: 97
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- In article <MUFFY.92Dec30141021@remarque.berkeley.edu> muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) writes:
- >In article <85883@ut-emx.uucp> robear@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jay Michael) writes:
-
- [from Jay]
- >> F_____________F It is this situation that mandates the
- >> \ / bisexuality of the F's, in order to complete
- >> \ / the emotional loop and raise all three
- >> \ / to a sum greater than the individual totals.
- >> M Perhaps this symbol has something to do with
- >> the standard 'bi-triangle'?
- >
- >> This again deals a great deal with polyamory, but forms an equality
- >> by the triangular relationship between the three. A Triad, a trio, the
- >> three muskateers, etc., which is acceptible to the het male perspective.
-
- I have trouble seeing how triangularity -- or any polygonality, for that
- matter -- can form (or prevent) an equality. Though it does seem to me
- that friendship grouplets tend to be in threes rather than any larger
- number.
-
- [Now over to Muffy]
-
- >You've also left out an interesting part of the whole interaction. My
- >SO and I have both been involved with two people. In both cases, there
- >was clearly an interaction between me and the person, my SO and the
- >person, and "me&SO" and the person. That is, there was a relationship
- >with the entity formed by our relationship as well. In our current
- >situation, there is an all-three-of-us entity that is a lot of fun and
- >which I hope will develop more. I'm also hoping, when things get more
- >worked out, that there will actually be two more interactions, so that
- >each of the "couples" has an entity which interacts with the other
- >person as well. Your "triangle" format leaves out all of this
- >complexity, which I am starting to feel is the best aspect of a three-
- >person relationship. The triangle suggests that there are only
- >person-person strong interactions.
-
- Huh? You mean, like:
-
- P1 --- c1 ---- P2
- \ \___ | ___/ /
- \ \|/ /
- c2 -- T -- c3
- \ | /
- \ | /
- \ | /
- \ /
- P3
-
- ... but with direct-links from P1 to c3, P2 to c2, P3 to c1....
-
- I think this reaches a certain limit of schematizability, at least for
- THIS communications medium. Frankly, I think this might also be taking
- relationship maintenance to obsessive extremes.
-
- >Then, of course, you get into the *other* relationships people might be
- >in, and it gets even *more* complex...*smile*.
-
- Not necessarily. What about a realistic attempt to close and limit things?
- The problem I see with three is that there are some inherent instabilities:
- people tend to work best (and love best, I think) when they complement each
- other. (The old "opposites attract" idea, which seems to prove out in
- reality.) You can't get good complementarity for each person with three
- people -- but you CAN get it with four. I.e.:
-
- M1 ----- F1
- |`. .'|
- | `. .' |
- | .*. |
- | . . |
- | . . |
- M2 ----- F2
-
- M1 and M2 can be opposites, as can F1 and F2, M2 and F2, and M1 and F1.
- So long as everyone in this arrangement recognizes that M1/F2 and M2/F1
- relations will hardly ever set the world on fire, you don't have much
- more basis for conflict than in your standard couple relationship.
- The asterisk in the middle might represent something about as hot and
- tempestuous as getting together to work out the bills at the end of the
- month.
-
- I think it has the makings of something that could last awhile, satisfying
- the proclivities of four bisexuals without requiring constant, intense
- efforts at conflict management. Probably it would help if there were
- some synchonization conditions -- four individuals arriving in the
- relationship at about the same time, or two couples who had been together
- about the same amount of time. Then you can hope for the relationship
- having something close to the expected duration of most heterosexual
- relationships. But even that expectation must be conditioned by some
- understandings gained only by long experience.
-
- On the other hand, if you're into relationship complexity for its own
- sake, by all means, go at it. You'll enter old age with plenty of
- advice for younger people. "Hey, you think you're in tough situation,
- I was once in this relationship...."
- ---
- Michael Turner
- miket@tcs.com
-