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- Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
- Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 00:44:42 EST
- From: Graydon <SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
- Message-ID: <92366.004442SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
- Newsgroups: soc.bi
- Subject: Re: Understanding
- References: <1hbkouINNo76@agate.berkeley.edu>
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- [Graydon, gibbering faintly]
- >>If you wanted to argue that I'm using a gender biased aesthetic I'd
- >>tend to agree; what maybe I'm asking is what saying you're 'bi'
- >>is intended to communicate about your aesthetic.
-
- [Albert Lunde, some of whose paragraphs went the way of all things]
- >Well, I'm not Muffy or Mike, but I'm going to jump in with a few
- >sweeping (anti-)generalizations.
-
- >I would tend to define "a bisexual" as a person who at times has felt
- >significant sexual attractions to members of both sexes. The word
- >"significant" is important to me -- if you, for example, have passing b
- >thoughts, but dismiss them as of no importance, I'm in no hurry to call
- >you bisexual. On the other hand, I think feeling and desire are more
- >important than sexual experience in defining "sexual orientation".
-
- Does significant mean 'lie awake at night torturing self with what
- you'd like to be doing with the attractee'? 'Tendency to act like
- an idiot in the presence of'? 'Outright languishing'? 'Occaisonal
- fantasizing'?
-
- >(Thus, you may feel free to call yourself bi regardless of if your
- >criteria are gender-based or not, if it seems to fit.)
-
- I don't call myself bi. I'm pretty sure I'm a recovering romantic,
- and that's about as far as I'm definite about the general case
- of any of this stuff, as far as the in-head part goes. My hormones
- are a who-knows, lots of stuff I haven't tried. My aesthetics skip
- men, mostly, but that is changing slowly.
-
- >I'm not sure that saying one is "bi" communicates anything about one's
- >aesthetics as such. If it weren't for the pervasive heterosexism
- >polatizing society, I sometimes doubt bisexuals would have anything
- >in common -- we'd just be this vauge mass of people "in the middle".
- >The social pressure to be het, or failing that "to choose", creates
- >a shared experience that we might otherwise lack. Though we might
- >still be a bit more *flexible* than the mean ;).
- >--
- > Albert Lunde | Interfaith | *Y*Y* "A branch on the
- > Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu | Bisexual | *Y* tree of life"
- > | Feminist |.......|.........................
- Being required to challenge societal assumptions is a pretty strong
- common ground, though. My own neccesity for doing that was a parent
- both schizophrenic and misanthropic. Left me with a very tenuous
- self image.
-
- I still get a sense that there are some aesthetic consensi that I'm
- not getting; if I manage to figure it out from continued reading,
- I'll see if I can express it.
-
- Graydon
-