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- From: dgilly@us.oracle.com (Daniel Gilly)
- Subject: Re: My 5-year HS Reunion... the results!
- Message-ID: <1992Dec30.022504.18017@oracle.us.oracle.com>
- Summary: coming out casually at interviews can be fun
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- Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 02:25:04 GMT
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- Great story, Tom. Thanks for posting this.
-
- I'm reminded of my own HS reunion in August '91, as well as some
- stories about coming out during job interviews.
-
- First, some comments:
-
- > If they asked, "What kind of activism?" I told them flat out. I
- > got really good reactions from everyone. It always was that smooth
- > "matter-of-fact" coming out that is always accepted really well.
-
- Amazing but true, isn't it? Many times, people are relying on
- clues from us as to how to react. If you introduce the topic by saying,
- for example, "I have something important to tell you," and then
- whisk the person off to a corner, your announcement sounds like
- you're confiding a terrible skeleton in your closet. I get a big
- kick out of the various casual ways I've managed to clue people in.
- (I talk about this further on.)
- Of course, it's easier when you can talk about an SO or about queer
- activism.
-
- > If they asked, "Are you married?" I told them that my BOYFRIEND
- > couldn't make it. "Do you live alone?", "No my BOYFRIEND and I
- > live in Central Jersey." that kind of thing. Again, all positive
- > outcomes!
-
- That's great! "Boyfriend" wouldn't fit Bob too well, so I generally
- use "my SO Bob" or "my partner Bob" when I want to come out in
- conversation. Either that, or leave off his name but then use a "he"
- or "him" in the next sentence to make the gender clear. The 2nd
- approach has a certain pacing or subtlety that works for me.
-
- > All the "proud crowd" (the nickname for the popular clique) was
- > there. Some of them were really confused by my button. Finally
- > someone (Amy) came up to me and said, "Doug and those guys want to
- > know what your button means and I told them that they need to grow
- > up." She then came out to me :-) and we had a grand old time
- > talking about things.
-
- I'm curious about the reputation of this "prowd crowd." Were they
- self-centered jerks, putting down anyone who wasn't "in"? Or were they
- popular because they were friendly to everybody? I guess I'd like to
- know how they treated you back when you were in school, and whether
- you're saying here that their attitude hadn't changed a bit.
-
- At my *five* year reunion, I found that 50% of the jerks had matured but
- 50% were still jerks. At my ten year, more (but still not all)
- of the jerks had mellowed.
-
- > I got to talk with Amanda Zwacky,
-
- Really!? She sort of sounds like a past (or past-perfect ?)
- relative of Arnold Zwicky's ? :-)
-
-
- As for me, I attended my 10-year HS reunion in August 1991.
- I did not use the opportunity to come out to anyone, however.
- I had come out to myself only 4-5 months before. My 2 best friends
- (who attended the reunion with me) knew already, as did one
- teacher I've kept in touch with, who we met at the reunion.
- (or is it "whom we met at the reunion"? )
-
- Several months ago, however, I found myself coming out to
- prospective employers during job interviews. Initially I was
- nervous, but as I got more interviews under my belt, I had the
- pleasure of observing matter-of-fact reactions to my matter-of-fact
- coming out. It was rather easy, actually, since invariably I was
- asked to recount the same story. Whether the question was, "Why
- did you quit your job?" or "Why did you move to California?",
- it was a golden opportunity to tell them that my SO had been
- transferred, that I had moved out with *him*, etc., etc.
- No one ever flinched. Several people even smiled appreciatively.
- It felt great!
-
- So I can understand the rush you felt at your reunion, and I'm glad
- it worked out well for you!
-
- Cheers!
- Daniel
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