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- From: Albert-Lunde@nwu.edu (Albert Lunde)
- Newsgroups: soc.bi
- Subject: Re: Understanding
- Message-ID: <1992Dec26.050250.4321@news.acns.nwu.edu>
- Date: 26 Dec 92 05:02:50 GMT
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- In article <92359.165646SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Graydon <SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
- >In article <MUFFY.92Dec23234918@remarque.berkeley.edu>,
- >muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) says:
- >>In article <1hbkouINNo76@agate.berkeley.edu> mlloyd@ocf.berkeley.edu (M.
- >>Lloyd)
- >>writes:
- >>>Graydon <SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
- >>>>And, Muffy, why *do* you regard yourself as bi, rather than say, as
- >>>>a person with catholic tastes in sex partners? (honestly curious).
- [...]
- >>>have no idea what that question is supposed to mean. I, for one, would
- >>>happily respond "I'm both".
- >>I feel pretty much the same way as Mike, here. I don't think I
- >>understand the question. However, I wouldn't really say that I'm
- >>"both". I don't care about the sex of my partners; in our society, that
- >>is called "bisexual," so that's the word I'm using. "Catholic" suggests
- >>more of a lack of discrimination, or, that I like *everything* in my sex
- >>partners. That is certainly not the case.[...]
- >>So, how about you, Graydon? Are you bisexual? Catholic in your tastes
- >>in sex partners? Or what? And why?
-
- >I probably didn't edit that enough, but I've figured out how to get
- >around the mailer's wired in netiquette, so who cares...
- >
- >I'm probably not someone you'd regard as bi; I can imagine sex with
- >men, there are a couple of very good male friends it has occured to
- >me to wonder what sex would be like with, but other than that I'm
- >sexually attracted to women. [...]
- >What I was trying to get at was what you mean by 'bi' - I have a
- >lot of trouble believing that everyone uses the word the same way.
- >Wasn't meaning to imply lack of discrimination with 'catholic' -
- >maybe I should have said something like 'plumbing not a significant
- >element of criteria'?
- >
- >I am purely confused as to wether or not plumbing, per se, is an
- >important element in the attractiveness criteria I'm using; I have
- >much less in the way of aesthetic criteria for men than for women,
- >but I'm not clear on how plumbing related that is.
- >
- >If you wanted to argue that I'm using a gender biased aesthetic I'd
- >tend to agree; what maybe I'm asking is what saying you're 'bi'
- >is intended to communicate about your aesthetic.
-
- Well, I'm not Muffy or Mike, but I'm going to jump in with a few
- sweeping (anti-)generalizations.
-
- I would tend to define "a bisexual" as a person who at times has felt
- significant sexual attractions to members of both sexes. The word
- "significant" is important to me -- if you, for example, have passing bi
- thoughts, but dismiss them as of no importance, I'm in no hurry to call
- you bisexual. On the other hand, I think feeling and desire are more
- important than sexual experience in defining "sexual orientation".
-
- This said, it should be observed that some bisexuals seem relatively
- indifferent to the sex of their partners, while other bisexuals
- report getting different sorts of things from men and from women.
-
- (Thus, you may feel free to call yourself bi regardless of if your
- criteria are gender-based or not, if it seems to fit.)
-
- [Muffy makes a good point about the question of the number of sexes/genders
- but I don't think I could have expressed this in the statements above
- and made them clear.]
-
- I'm not sure that saying one is "bi" communicates anything about one's
- aesthetics as such. If it weren't for the pervasive heterosexism
- polatizing society, I sometimes doubt bisexuals would have anything
- in common -- we'd just be this vauge mass of people "in the middle".
- The social pressure to be het, or failing that "to choose", creates
- a shared experience that we might otherwise lack. Though we might
- still be a bit more *flexible* than the mean ;).
-
- --
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