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- Organization: Queen's University at Kingston
- Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 16:56:46 EST
- From: Graydon <SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
- Message-ID: <92359.165646SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
- Newsgroups: soc.bi
- Subject: Re: Understanding
- References: <92357.110706SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
- <MUFFY.92Dec22111050@remarque.berkeley.edu>
- <92359.003759SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> <1hbkouINNo76@agate.berkeley.edu>
- <MUFFY.92Dec23234918@remarque.berkeley.edu>
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- In article <MUFFY.92Dec23234918@remarque.berkeley.edu>,
- muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) says:
- >In article <1hbkouINNo76@agate.berkeley.edu> mlloyd@ocf.berkeley.edu (M.
- >Lloyd)
- >writes:
- >>Graydon <SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
- >>>And, Muffy, why *do* you regard yourself as bi, rather than say, as
- >>>a person with catholic tastes in sex partners? (honestly curious).
- >
- >>*splutter* OK, I'm not Muffy (I can't wear that black stretchy
- >>non-dress *nearly* as well as she can), but *splutter* all the same.
- >>I
- >>have no idea what that question is supposed to mean. I, for one, would
- >>happily respond "I'm both".
- >
- >I feel pretty much the same way as Mike, here. I don't think I
- >understand the question. However, I wouldn't really say that I'm
- >"both". I don't care about the sex of my partners; in our society, that
- >is called "bisexual," so that's the word I'm using. "Catholic" suggests
- >more of a lack of discrimination, or, that I like *everything* in my sex
- >partners. That is certainly not the case. I like them to be
- >intelligent, I like them to be feminists (*grin*), I have all sorts of
- >preferences, and all sorts of dislikes. I'm "catholic" only in the
- >matter of gender, and that is not even certain, as I do not know that I
- >have met or like all the possible genders, whatever they may be.
- >
- >To answer your question more simply, I do not have interest in all
- >people as lovers, so "catholic" is inappropriate.
- >
- >So, how about you, Graydon? Are you bisexual? Catholic in your tastes
- >in sex partners? Or what? And why?
- >
- >Muffy
- >--
- >
- >Muffy Barkocy | ~Can you tell me how much bleeding/it
- >muffy@mica.berkeley.edu | takes to fill a word with meaning and/
- >"amorous inclinations"? Aha! I'm | how much how much death it takes/to give
- >not "not straight," I'm *inclined*.| a slogan breath?~ - Bruce Cockburn
-
- I probably didn't edit that enough, but I've figured out how to get
- around the mailer's wired in netiquette, so who cares...
-
- I'm probably not someone you'd regard as bi; I can imagine sex with
- men, there are a couple of very good male friends it has occured to
- me to wonder what sex would be like with, but other than that I'm
- sexually attracted to women. (Ideally, tall, slender, pale women
- who delight in life, are suffused with fierceness, and have souls
- like swordblades.) *Emotional* attraction seems gender neutral.
-
- What I was trying to get at was what you mean by 'bi' - I have a
- lot of trouble believing that everyone uses the word the same way.
- Wasn't meaning to imply lack of discrimination with 'catholic' -
- maybe I should have said something like 'plumbing not a significant
- element of criteria'?
-
- I am purely confused as to wether or not plumbing, per se, is an
- important element in the attractiveness criteria I'm using; I have
- much less in the way of aesthetic criteria for men than for women,
- but I'm not clear on how plumbing related that is.
-
- If you wanted to argue that I'm using a gender biased aesthetic I'd
- tend to agree; what maybe I'm asking is what saying you're 'bi'
- is intended to communicate about your aesthetic.
-
- (A question which may well be grounds to send me to the bit bucket
- as a clueless het-boy... :)
-
- Graydon
-