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- From: iwatters@cix.compulink.co.uk (Ian Watters)
- Subject: Re: Imitating Turing (was: Liberty (was:
- Reply-To: iwatters@cix.compulink.co.uk
- Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 22:49:00 +0000
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- Kay :
- > Yes. I've read both of the Turing biographies (I had to, in self
- > defence; there were just too many computer-nerds coming up to
- > me and saying "Hey, you're gay, would you like to have a look
- > at some nifty Z-80 code I just wrote for handling the Deferred
- > Queen's Gambit?" or some such. Still, it's better than anoraks
-
- Look, what's wrong with computer chess, Kay? (OK, I'm writing a book on
- computer board game playing, I confess!)
-
- [ Anyway, you should have told them that, if you have to use an 8 bit CPU,
- the 6502 is better than the Z-80 for writing chess programs, that'd have got
- rid of them for a while... ]
-
- >>And "chess player"? Maybe you're confusing him with C. H. O'D. (?)
- >>Alexander, who was, I think, another WWII codebreaker, who could also
- >>slaughter Turing at chess. (As a chess wimp myself, I identify with this.)
-
- > Turing played chess, didn't he? [Racks brain] I'm sure that somewhere
- > I've read some of his writings about chess - and quite good they were,
-
- Yes, he did (one of?) the first papers on computer chess and, along with
- Claude Shannon, the person to blame for all those people wanting to talk
- "Z-80 gambits" with you. As Gus says, in real life, he was crap.
-
- The Bletchley operation did include other chess players, I can't remember if
- Alexander was amongst them, because it was thought that along with crossword
- fanatics they'd be the right sort of people. In fact, as Fischer in
- particular has shown, being very very good at chess is more usually a sign of
- being someone to avoid for anything else.
-
- >>codes? I don't see it. Indeed, I'd have thought that helping, in a big
- >>way, to defeat the Nazis would make him a big role model (for all those
- >>enigmatically clueless people out there who are impressed by such things).
- >:-)
-
- >No. Because I don't think he cared about any moral implication of his
- >work, that he'd have done it just as happily whether it saved or
- >slaughtered millions. He just did it because it was Clever.
-
- He certainly did it because it was Interesting -- if it wasn't, he would have
- avoided it in the same sort of way as he avoided actually serving in the Home
- Guard(? reserves?) -- but I don't think, from my reading of the biog, that he
- would have partaken in a project deliberately designed to kill millions.
-
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- iwatters@cix.compulink.co.uk | Hon Secretary of the London Bisexual Group
- | c/o BM BI, London, Great Britain WC1N 3XX
- << Never mind the LBG, *I* disagree with everything here, including this >>
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