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- From: muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy)
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- Subject: Re: Understanding
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- Date: 23 Dec 92 13:06:35 GMT
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- In-reply-to: alan@auntbea.austin.ibm.com's message of Wed, 23 Dec 1992 15:08:08 GMT
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- In article <BzpwpK.24xG@austin.ibm.com> alan@auntbea.austin.ibm.com (Alan R. Weiss) writes:
- >In article <MUFFY.92Dec22164023@remarque.berkeley.edu> muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) writes:
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- >>You deleted my text, which explained this, but I'll try again. Are you
- >>saying, then, that I should a) LIE to them and b) disavow any connection
- >>with that EVIL feminism, even though I am, in fact, a feminist? It is
- >>not a quesiton of "my own language" or "their language," any more than
- >>saying I am female, bisexual, brown-haired, or whatever.
-
- >No, not really. If gender-neutral language is encouraged, and becomes
- >a sign of intelligence, strength-of-character, or some other positive
- >set of attributes, then the probability of acceptance is increased
- >(or so I say - and have been saying for megabytes/clock cycles :-)
-
- What does this have to do with anything? Last I heard, we were talking
- about feminism. Now you suddenly pull in gender-neutral language. What
- does that have to do with people accepting someone calling themselves a
- feminist?
-
- >Feminism isn't evil - but, IMHO and the opinion of many others (including
- >noted feminists), it has become the worst of all possible worlds -
- >non-essential. Out of touch with the common womyn. Elitist, at times.
- >Like most philosophies, it has evolved, and like most large constructs
- >its lost touch with its constituents.
-
- You mean that it is elitist to think that women should be given the
- opportunity to make their own choices, rather than being coerced and
- impeded by society? This is the first I have heard of that. Could you
- please explain to me how this is elitist?
-
- Muffy
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- Muffy Barkocy | ~Can you tell me how much bleeding/it
- muffy@mica.berkeley.edu | takes to fill a word with meaning and/
- "amorous inclinations"? Aha! I'm | how much how much death it takes/to give
- not "not straight," I'm *inclined*.| a slogan breath?~ - Bruce Cockburn
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