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- From: muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy)
- Newsgroups: soc.bi
- Subject: Re: Understanding
- Date: 22 Dec 92 16:40:23
- Organization: Natural Language Incorporated
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- In-reply-to: alan@auntbea.austin.ibm.com's message of Tue, 22 Dec 1992 23:49:34 GMT
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- In article <Bzoq6n.24ut@austin.ibm.com> alan@auntbea.austin.ibm.com (Alan R. Weiss) writes:
- >In article <MUFFY.92Dec22111050@remarque.berkeley.edu> muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) writes:
- >So why not formulate the information in such a way as to obtain
- >maximum impact, i.e. SPEAK THE LANGUAGE THEY UNDERSTAND. You don't
- >have to, of course - you (and the "you" isn't necessarily "YOU",
- >Muffy :-) can choose to speak your own language. But if the idea
- >is maximize change ....
-
- You deleted my text, which explained this, but I'll try again. Are you
- saying, then, that I should a) LIE to them and b) disavow any connection
- with that EVIL feminism, even though I am, in fact, a feminist? It is
- not a quesiton of "my own language" or "their language," any more than
- saying I am female, bisexual, brown-haired, or whatever.
-
- >>not...*smile*), it seems to me that what might be going on is that men
- >>have a stronger identification with "being male," because that is
- >>something to be proud of in our society. More than that, some men base
- >>their entire self-worth on "being a man."
- [...]
- >> In this case, an attack on
- >>"men" (being the societal standard for being male) *is* more of a
- >>personal attack. It would be pretty silly for women to base their
- >>self-image on "being female," since society's view of women is rather
- >>negative. Of course, there *are* female supremacists who do this, but
- >>there are relatively few of them.
-
- >I can't agree, Muffy, because by and large women hold MUCH more
- >power than men
-
- So what? I never said *anything* about power, I said that our society
- holds men in much higher regard than women.
-
- Muffy
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