home *** CD-ROM | disk | FTP | other *** search
- Xref: sparky soc.bi:17213 soc.motss:53515
- Path: sparky!uunet!autodesk!owen
- From: owen@autodesk.com (D. Owen Rowley)
- Newsgroups: soc.bi,soc.motss
- Subject: Re: Liberty (was something relevant about CO-2 long ago...)
- Message-ID: <18218@autodesk.COM>
- Date: 22 Dec 92 21:06:36 GMT
- References: <BzKq8n.3wL@undergrad.math.waterloo.edu> <92356.182129SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>
- Sender: news@Autodesk.COM
- Followup-To: soc.motss
- Lines: 44
-
- In article <92356.182129SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>, SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA (Graydon) writes:
- > In article <1992Dec21.175438.20068@cbnewsl.cb.att.com>, ry@cbnewsl.cb.att.com
- > (ryerson.schwark) says:
- > >Really? Do you think that people stopped using the word 'nigger' because
- > >they were carefully marketed to? I don't think so.
-
- > People have stopped using the word 'nigger'? Stopped printing it,
- > mostly, and not in prime time, but ....
-
- Tell you what.
- Ride the 24 Divisadero bus, or the 22 Fillmore bus in San Francisco,
- and you'll here it plenty.
-
- > I suspect the thing that's going to get the gender neutral pronouns
- > in place for part of the population is that all the serious scholarly
- > english style guides are now gender neutral or getting there. This
- > will get all the primary school teachers, who will get the kids who
- > end up literate. (The kids who don't end up literate have a much
- > larger problem than their language use!)
-
- Language will reflect gender neutrality, when society is gender neutral.
-
- There will probably always be some gender identification in language
- since there are differences between the genders, and we will need some
- sort of construct to communicate those differences.
-
- It seems to me that the reason that there are problems around the issue
- of gender identified pronouns is that our society makes value judgements
- based on those differences.
-
- For example Clinton pointed out that playing numbers games and setting
- quotas for cabinet appointments based on gender devalues the individuals
- who have been chosen so far, and relegates them to tokens in a numbers game.
- It also shows that those who are focusing on the tokenism of the past
- and extending it into the future by thinking in *quotas* are perpetuating
- the social construct that there are value differences based on gender.
-
-
- LUX ./. owen
- --
- D. Owen Rowley {uunet,fernwood,sun}!autodesk!owen
-
- " It will be a cold March 17th that I celebrate the imposition of
- Romes rule, on Pagan Ireland. Erin go ppphhhhhttttttt! "
-