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- From: alpinist@eskimo.com (David Butler)
- Subject: Re: Freedom, Social Responsibility, Individual Responsibility
- Message-ID: <1992Dec22.193439.13575@eskimo.com>
- Organization: =>ESKIMO NORTH (206) 367-3837 SEATTLE, WA.<=
- References: <1992Dec15.012216.19235@sequent.com> <1992Dec16.012626.8675@hpcvca.cv.hp.com> <1992Dec20.211114.3823@sequent.com>
- Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 19:34:39 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec20.211114.3823@sequent.com> dickwin@sequent.com (Dick Winningstad) writes:
- >In article <1992Dec16.012626.8675@hpcvca.cv.hp.com> scott@hpcvccl.cv.hp.com (Scott Linn) writes:
- >>This would be great, but there would be a big outcry from various sections
- >>of society. My own parents insist that if someone goes out in a wilderness
- >>area or wherever, and don't come back, society is *morally required* to go
- >>in and find him/her, regardless of the costs. Until we can get most of these
- >>people to change their minds, society will bear the costs, and we will
- >>continue to get more restrictive laws passed (seat belts, helmets, etc.).
-
- >A point I am trying to make is that financial considerations should
- >not be a reason for restricting liberty. Take the above example, will
- >we eventually see people banned from going into forests because the
- >government will have to spend money to rescue them if they get lost?
-
- Since I am a hiker I have to respond to the idiocy of bringing the
- backcountry into this thread. I guess it is a perfect example of the
- stupidity of hysteria behind these protecting people for their own
- good or cost of society laws. Every time you sit down in your car you
- are hundreds of times more likely to be seriously injured or killed than
- when I grab my ice axe and head for the hills. Yes, that's right,
- HUNDREDS of times more likely. But a lost hiker is a high profile news
- item. You know how many hundreds of thousands of people head out in the
- back country for those three or four news articles on a lost or injured
- hiker? People are killed and injured every day in their cars - happens
- so much it rarely makes it on the news at all. Hiking is a low risk
- activity. You are just as likely to injure yourself cooking or taking
- a shower as hiking.
-
- And besides didn't they pass a law that people needing rescue do have
- to pay for it? I know that such a law was in serious consideration a
- few years back.
-
- On the other hand bicycling is one of the statistically most dangerous
- activities (right up there with snowmobiling). The question is do helmets
- actually reduce injuries to a significant extent and is the cost savings
- of such a reduction really worth the trouble of the law and the restrictions
- on freedom. If the law was done intelligently it would be in effect for a
- year as an experiment at which time if bicycle injuries were not significantly
- reduced then it would automatically be repealed. Why not let the law since
- it is now in effect be a means of gathering statistics and we can then
- actually see in a year whether it is based on good facts or baloney.
-
-
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- * Dave * Why, sometimes I've believed as *
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