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- From: pgf@srl03.cacs.usl.edu ("Phil G. Fraering")
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- Subject: Re: DC vs. Shuttle capabilities
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- Date: 4 Jan 93 03:44:20 GMT
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- \2. There is limited experience with composite airframes in routine
- /operational use. Certainly less with composite cryo tanks, if that
- \route is taken. (The exceptions to this lie in the B-2 program and the
- /kitplane market, but the B-2 is very early in the flight programs. There
- \may be some data from "black" programs that MacDac has access to.)
-
- Actually, you forgot the F-22/F-23 program as well. And the F-20.
- I would also note that the kitplane market bit seems to indicate
- that composites are *better* understood than you think, and aren't
- being used more widely because of stodgy industry. It sounds like
- they're more innovative than Boeing/MacDac et al. Perhaps they are.
- After all, who flew around the world unrefuelled first?
-
- THANKFULLY _someone_ had the presence of mind to get Scaled Composites
- involved on DC-X...
-
- \3. The throttled RL-10 with nozzle extender is a new and essentially
- /untried engine. Engine development is more art than science and has a
- \history of being subject to delays.
-
- I don't think so. There were no changes in any of the "wet" parts of
- the engine, just the uncooled part of the nozzle. The stupid part
- of the nozzle, as it were. If we can't do that, we should stay on
- the ground.
-
- \4. The servicing goals and rapid turnaround requirements of the vehicle
- /are doable on paper, but have been held out as very risky by an
- \independent study.
-
- An independent study which apparently had an axe to grind of its own,
- if you're talking about the TAC study.
-
- \5. The weight margins on the vehicle are very tight, a historical source
- /of problems in spacecraft and aircraft design.
-
- Hmmph. Maybe you should repeat this a couple more times for the people
- who started this, you'll help them make everyone else think it's true.
-
- \Even given all that, the DC-X, DC-Y, DC-1 progression is a valid and
- /prudent way to develop this class of vehicle. There is one other source
- \of risk that is hard to quantify at this point: MacDac is an ailing
- /company, in substantial risk of major cutbacks. Given that the company
- \is throwing a lot of IR&D money into the project, it could founder on
- /the rocks of a major financial crisis in the company. I also give
- \MacDac high marks for the management approach, which I have heard the
- /project manager give a talk on. It is modeled on the Lockheed "Skunk
- \Works" approach.
-
- I think people were saying the same thing about Apple at about the time
- they were developing the Mac. Everyone was talking about how they were
- going to lose out to IBM. But who's in financial trouble now?
-
- Also, "we better not give them the project, they're a troubled
- company" is the sort of self-fufilling prophecy that's kept many
- many many good alternatives from being tried.
-
- \Hopefully, the incoming administration will see the value of the
- /vehicle, there will be a safe and successful flight test this summer and
- \it will proceed with the DC-Y. I consider the DC development program a
- /prudent use of the government's risk capital. However, we need to keep
- \an eye on alternatives in case the DC program stubs its toe.
-
- You say that as if DC isn't one of the alternatives instead of one of
- the 200-million-a-year-on-design CAD queens.
-
- \Edmund Hack - Lockheed Engineering & Sciences Co. - Houston, TX
- /hack@aio.jsc.nasa.gov - I speak only for myself, unless blah, blah..
- \"You know, I think we're all Bozos on this bus."
- /"Detail Dress Circuits" "Belt: Above A, Below B" "Close B ClothesMode"
-
- Phil Fraering |"...Who in the valley shed the poison tear
- pgf@srl02.cacs.usl.edu | no one knows
- 318/365-5418 | An old legend of a mythical hero..."
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