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- From: clarke@next1.acme.ucf.edu ()
- Subject: What was NASA thinking?
- Message-ID: <1992Dec31.172110.10616@cs.ucf.edu>
- Originator: clarke@next1
- Sender: news@cs.ucf.edu (News system)
- Organization: IST, University of Central Florida, Orlando
- Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 17:21:10 GMT
- Lines: 47
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- 9Wanting to refresh my somewhat rusty remembrance of things rocket,
- I picked up "Rocket Propulsion Elements" by George Sutton
- (1986, 5th ed, John Wiley and sons).
- Therein I found the following interesting numbers:
-
- Space Shuttle Main Engine Saturn J-2 Upper Stage
-
- Thrust (at alt): 470,000 lbs 230,000 lbs
- Specific Imp (alt) 455 sec 426 sec
- Dry Weight: 6335 lbs 3454 lbs
- Thrust/Weight: 74 67
- Mixture Ratio: 6 5.5
-
- Now, I have been led to believe that the SSME is a large
- advance over previous engines. The above seems to imply
- that with a little work the 6 J-2s could have powered
- the shuttle quite nicely. Perhaps a 6:1 mixture would have
- given it the same Isp as SSME - the J-2 thrust and thrust/weight
- would have then been 246,000 lbs and 71.5.
-
- Also:
-
- Space Shuttle SRB Saturn F-1 First Stage
-
- Thrust(at alt): 2,372,000 1,748,000
- Specific Imp: 266 (average) 265 (grnd) - 305 (alt)
-
- Now, the F-1 does not replace an SRB one for one, but its
- no too far off. Given its good record maybe the F-1 could
- have been rerated to 135% throttle to equal the SRB.
-
- Hence the question in the title of my post: What was NASA
- thinking about? Apparently the Saturn engines could have
- been used to build the shuttle vehicle. Why weren't they?
-
- A shuttle with 5 or 6 J-2s using 2 uprated F-1s in the recoverable
- boosters would have taken advantage of a history of literally
- dozens of successful flight firings. Plus there would
- have been a much wider range of abort modes.
-
- Happy new year. Let's hope for more rational future design.
-
- --
- Thomas Clarke
- Institute for Simulation and Training, University of Central FL
- 12424 Research Parkway, Suite 300, Orlando, FL 32826
- (407)658-5030, FAX: (407)658-5059, clarke@acme.ucf.edu
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