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- From: gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman)
- Subject: Re: Terminal Velocity of DCX? (was Re: Shuttle ...)
- Message-ID: <1992Dec31.001942.11805@ke4zv.uucp>
- Reply-To: gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman)
- Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
- References: <1992Dec17.163212.20944@eng.umd.edu> <1992Dec22.161111.29439@iti.org> <1992Dec25.002926.4218@ke4zv.uucp> <1hfqr6INN387@mirror.digex.com>
- Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 00:19:42 GMT
- Lines: 37
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- In article <1hfqr6INN387@mirror.digex.com> prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes:
- >Consider that the russians/CIS/USSR built a major space program with
- >the GNP the size of France. And by the Way, unlike the germans, or chinese
- >i dont believe the russians have ever been charged with using slave
- >labor. Now the russians had a strange command economy, but things still
- >cost, but there were major problems in distribution. the russian/SU
- >economy was sorta like massachusetts meets new york via sweden.
- >
- >high taxes, severe rent control and social provision of major services.
- >
- >SUre, they didnt pay their scientists what we paid them here, but they
- >provided them with housing, medicine, etc. Also, the motivation of most
- >russian space workers was so great, that they didn't mind the bad conditions.
- >
- >the problems within the russian system, were of productivity, design cycle,
- >and provision of consumer goods.
- >
- >The chinese use slave labor, and then sell it over here. the russians
- >paid their workers poorly, and the workers pretended to work.
- >
- >the gulags were not used as factories to my knowledge.
-
- I agree with all of this. My point was that all those social services,
- which in our system are paid out of worker salaries, were paid out of
- a different account that wasn't charged against their space program.
- So using their numbers is an invalid comparison with numbers from a
- differently organized economy because many of their costs are "hidden"
- in other government accounts. That looks like it's changing, and we
- may soon discover that Russian costs *aren't* really much lower than
- ours for similar launchers.
-
- Gary
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