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- Path: sparky!uunet!hela.iti.org!aws
- From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer)
- Subject: Re: Stupid Shut Cost arguements (was Re: Terminal Velocity
- Message-ID: <1992Dec30.205940.28699@iti.org>
- Organization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow
- References: <72527@cup.portal.com> <1992Dec29.191524.2413@iti.org> <72597@cup.portal.com>
- Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 20:59:40 GMT
- Lines: 62
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- In article <72597@cup.portal.com> BrianT@cup.portal.com (Brian Stuart Thorn) writes:
-
- >>Considering that there are no heavy payloads to return to Earth, this
- >>cannot be considered an advantage. Especially for the billions it costs
- >>us.
-
- > GRO and UARS are both candidates for return to earth.
-
- Doing that would cost more then they are worth. It would be cheaper to
- build new ones and launch them commercially.
-
- > LDEF and
-
- LDEF would have been better flown as a series of smaller platforms.
- Under those conditions it would be simple to build a vehicle which
- returns them to Earth. That way each experimenter would get custom
- time on orbit and the taxpayers would save billions.
-
- > The Hubble repair could still prove too much for orbiting
- > astronauts and thus require return to Earth for mirror replacement,
-
- No for two reasons: 1) it would be cheaper to build another and fly it
- and 2) in testimony before the House the program manager said Hubble
- wouldn't survive the return trip.
-
- To date there are no payloads which can be returned by Shuttle in a
- cost effective manner.
-
- > All I'm saying is that Shuttle
- > did not meet its objectives, so don't be so sure about DC.
-
- Same old arguement. I guess Boeing better cancel plans for the 777.
- After all, Shuttle failed so 777 will as well.
-
- > A few weeks ago I mentioned one way that we could have kept some of
- > that market in the U.S. until NLS, DC or whatever was ready. You
- > said that it (maintaining Shuttle launches of commercial payloads)
- > was too costly. Maybe so (definitely so) but those subsidies would
- > have at least kept customers in the U.S.
-
- And at the same time killed any chance of a sustainable independent
- commercial effort. If your going to do that it would be cheaper to
- simple end all space activity.
-
- > Why wasn't DC-X built in 1983
-
- You mean when the government was spending billions killing competition
- with Shuttle subsidies? You can't be serious; who would be that stupid?
-
- > your argument that the next generation of boosters be a commerical
- > endeavor? What is it they say about building a better mousetrap?
-
- It is hard to convince investors when they see that the largest customer
- doesn't care about cheaper costs.
-
- Allen
-
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