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- From: Dr. Norman J. LaFave <lafave@ial4.jsc.nasa.gov>
- Subject: Re: Justification for the Space Program
- Message-ID: <1992Dec28.223226.12849@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>
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- In article <1992Dec28.204243.7616@cs.rochester.edu> Paul Dietz,
- dietz@cs.rochester.edu writes:
- >Since your reasoning seems inherently incapable of being disproved,
- >even if wrong, I don't see that it has any value.
-
- My arguement has the benefit of centuries of historical precedent
- which is more than your "There will never be benefits worth the
- expense" arguement you are spouting which can be
- easily argued against using the same historical
- information. Can I prove my assertion?
- No. However, neither can you prove the contrary. The overwhelming
- number of historical accounts which support my point makes the
- effort of space exploration worth the risk.
-
- I would rather be bold and take risks in the hope of expanding my
- horizons than sit around dumb, happy, and complacent
- while we slip into decline.
-
- Let me clue you into something....there are many phenomena in this world,
- which appear to be true due to overwelming evidence, which are neither
- well-understood or structured enough to be "proven". A
- given phenomenon is believed
- to be true because either a.) The phenomenon always occurs, or b.) The
- phenomenon happens the vast majority of the time, or c.) It can be
- rigorously proven to be true. Choice c.) may be superior to the other two,
- but it is not the only method which defines "belief of validity". Indeed,
- most of our experimental science is based on a.) and b.) for its
- foundation.
-
- >Theories have to be
- >falsifiable to be useful.
-
- Untrue. Theories need only be logical, and self-consistent
- with experience, to
- be useful. Theorists develop and study theories that lack
- definitive proof all the time.
-
- >In practice, you *will* have to argue that
- >a project has specific benefits or it will not be funded (or, rather,
- >you won't get funded for your *next* project, as with Apollo).
-
- And this is what is wrong with the whole system. Hundreds of
- examples of
- pure science leading to unforeseen applications and unheard of prosperity
- are ignored in favor of safe, incremental development which barely
- keeps our economic head above water. This is not the way our society
- became great. Taking risks use to be the ideal in this
- country and lead to our greatest achievements and our economic
- and technical superiority. We have lost these benefits due to our
- timidity and lack of foresight.
-
- >
- >You mention comsats, etc.: yes, but that has little to do with the
- >Club of Rome/wild schemes of space resource exploitation that started
- >this thread.
-
- Satellite communication was once thought of as wild fantasy too. Surely
- you have more perspective than this. You are only making my
- point for me.
-
- >Moreover, these benefits were not unpredicted: Clarke
- >forecast geostationary communication relays in 1947.
-
- Clarke was a visionary, as has been many science fiction writers
- (Jules Verne, Micheal Crichton, H. G. Wells,...).
- The predictions of a science fiction writer may indeed come true, but
- they are not the same as the predicitons of engineers and scientists
- in their same field of endeavour. Furthermore, this does not negate
- the fact that benefits are already here that
- short-sighted people like you would have
- killed before fruition if you had been allowed to do so. You would
- have claimed that communication by satellite was a
- "Club of Rome/wild scheme" and dismissed it as the ravings of "zealots"
- (I'm a zealot too!!).
-
- Paul, we have been round-and-round about this before.... I suggest
- that you are in dire need of a history of science and technology
- course or need to read the writings of the great scientists to know
- how little they understood the awesome potential of their
- discoveries.
-
- Dr. Norman J. LaFave
- Senior Engineer
- Lockheed Engineering and Sciences Company
-
-
-
-
- When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro
- Hunter Thompson
-