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- From: ssi!lfa@uunet.UU.NET ("Louis F. Adornato")
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- Subject: Re: Stupid Shut Cost arguements
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- Date: 28 Dec 92 16:42:49 GMT
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- "Allen W. Sherzer" <aws@iti.org> writes:
-
- >In article <1992Dec25.014627.4982@ke4zv.uucp> gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman) wri
- >tes:
- >
- >>In military procurement, the development costs are charged against
- >>the prototypes, X, Y, etc, and the operational vehicles of the procurement
- >>are charged at "flyaway" cost.
- >
- >Which I suspect is done largely to hide the true cost. I point out that if
- >the contractors in question ran their accounts this way they would all be
- >in jail and out of buisness.
-
- Wrong. Many major corporations consider research and/or development a
- "sunk" cost - it's something that's considered part of the cost of
- staying in business, and, since it's paid for in cash that's generated
- by the current product line, it doesn't _have_ to be amortized against
- the new product lines, and so it isn't. This allows much more
- flexibility in developing a pricing strategy for the new line. The
- only concern in this case is the rate of return on investment and
- the total return on investment (one is the derivative of the profits to
- be generated by the new product line, the other is the integral of
- profits over the life of the product line).
-
- Of course, a start up business, with no existing product line and no
- cash flow, has to borrow money to cover initial R&D, and that borrowed
- money has to be paid back over the life of the loan, therefore the R&D
- cost has to be amortized against the cost of the (eventual) product.
- ROI and rate of RIO are still important (if the ROI is less than your
- startup financing, or if the rate is less than the maturation rate
- of your financing, you're in BIG trouble).
-
- >
- >>Following this model, Enterprise ate the
- >>development costs, and it's retired. Current Orbiters are only liable for
- >>their $1.5 billion flyaway cost and their operational costs.
- >
- >But why should we follow that model?
-
- Because NASA paid for the design and development work (and precious
- little research) up front, and doesn't have to pay anyone back for
- those costs. The fact that the Federal government itself borrowed that
- money doesn't enter into it, it's still a sunk cost paid out of current
- funds.
-
- > Hiding costs like you advocate only
- >encourages waste and inefficiency.
-
- On the contrary, by keeping development and operational costs separate,
- there's less opportunity for waste and inefficency in one phase to get
- buried in the lifecycle costs. Besides, development and operations are
- two completely different kinds of costs, so drawing a clean line
- between the two also provides better historical information for
- budgeting, forecasting, and cost control on the next project.
-
- > How can we possibly make access to space
- >cheap if we make it impossible to identify those costs and reduce them?
-
- How do you figure that limiting design and development costs to the
- prototype makes it impossible to identify them? Seems to me that it's
- the other way around; the amortization you propose leads to much more
- blurring of where the real costs where incurred. Attempting to
- amortize a sunk cost artificially inflates the per-flight cost, and
- will also probably swamp out many meaningful variations
-
- Of course, amortizing the development costs does have one real
- advantage; it ensures that the shuttle's per-flight costs will always
- be astronomical, while allowing the DC program to hide it's own
- development costs behind a vaporware figure of useful lifespan. I
- think this is not only unethical and deceptive, it's also unnecessary
- and self-defeating. Developing a new spacecraft is expensive,
- especially when you want to design it for a long and cost-effective
- life, and we shouldn't try to hide this. We're not going to do anyone
- any favors by selling the American public on another grandiose
- "space-truck" that can't live up to inflated expectations (I once saw a
- 1974 vintage (awful) movie that had Columbia flying _three times_ in
- one day).
-
- Lou Adornato | "Sure, the cow may have jumped over the
- Supercomputer Systems, Inc | moon, but she burned up on reentry"
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