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- From: hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin)
- Subject: Re: Justification
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- Keywords: gifted talented
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- Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 18:29:45 GMT
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- In article <BzwqHE.HGB@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> blumb@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Bill Blum) writes:
- >In article <Bzvn8D.JB4.1@cs.cmu.edu> roberts@cmr.ncsl.nist.gov (John Roberts) writes:
-
- >>Has anyone had personal experience with magnet schools? I'm curious about
- >>whether they provide any benefit.
-
- >Well, I did not attend a magnet school, but I was part of a gifted/talented
- >program in grades K-8.
-
- >My only complaint was: Some programs (such as the one I was subjected to)
- >do not take into account that not all students will be interested in the
- >same things.
-
- >We were taught Spanish, we produced plays, we saw nature films.
- >A friend of mine and I grew immensely bored with the material presented and
- >spent our time in the library, reading books like Issac Asimov, etc. I was
- >never given a reason to WANT to learn Spanish, or to learn about nature, or
- >to care about drama.
-
- Is what is taught there of interest to anyone other than prospective
- dramatists and others with a totally non-scientific approach? You were
- being taught trivia, not important content. If you were taught linguistics,
- so that you could get an understanding of the structure of language, rather
- than memorizing vocabulary with no rhyme or reason, it MIGHT have been
- worthwhile. If you were given the mathematics, then the physic, and
- then the chemistry, to understand nature, this might have been worthwhile.
- But the garbage given in the gifted/talented programs is at a level far
- below what the typical students were expected to be capable of before
- those responsible for the attitude that "we teach children, not subject
- matter" got in control. What you were taught in these programs supposedly
- for those who are capable of a first-class educations should have been
- considered recreation, rather than education.
-
- >I'm sure that magnet schools would fare better in this regard---they are
- >aimed towards what some students WANT.
-
- Fat chance! This is the best the teachers are capable of. There is nothing
- in the nature of a curriculum designed to greatly increase the knowledge and
- ability of the student. The attitude that memorizing is education, and that
- there is no structure, has effectively killed the system. We can look things
- up in dictionaries and encyclopedias, and on computers. The good students
- need to be exposed to structure and ideas, and they are capable of at least
- five times what the typical teachers can handle.
- --
- Herman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907-1399
- Phone: (317)494-6054
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