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- From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer)
- Subject: Re: Stupid Shut Cost arguements (was Re: Terminal Velocity of DCX?
- Message-ID: <1992Dec26.195623.29522@iti.org>
- Organization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow
- References: <STEINLY.92Dec23121415@topaz.ucsc.edu> <1992Dec23.212100.18194@iti.org> <23DEC199220375318@judy.uh.edu>
- Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1992 19:56:23 GMT
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- In article <23DEC199220375318@judy.uh.edu> wingo%cspara.decnet@Fedex.Msfc.Nasa.gov writes:
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- >>The fact remains however that we did spend $34 billion to develop Shuttle...
-
- >The numbers that I have seen from the Congressional budget office are 8.8
- >billion dollars in 1974 dollars. Are you saying that we have had 400 percent
- >inflation from 74 to 86?
-
- 400% is only two doublings which would be about right given 70's inflation.
- I also have no idea what the CBO included or didn't include in the estimate.
-
-
- >No what I said was that only if you included every single item that could
- >possibly related to *any* US manned space program, would you get a number
- >greater than 500 million dollars. This is what Pike did.
-
- Ah but Pike, doing what you describe above, came to a figure of about
- $750M per flight. You are distorting what Pike said.
-
- The $500M per flight is confirmed by NASA AND the Aldridge Commission. What
- is it that you know which they don't?
-
- >A great portion
- >of these costs would be there no matter what system it is that is flying
-
- Then charge them accordingly.
-
- >men in space. This includes maintaining the test stands at Marshall and at
- >Stennis and at Edwards and at Simi valley where the RL-10's are tested.
-
- Since all RL-10 variants in the past 10 years have been paid for with
- private funds, I'm sure they paid for their use of test facilities.
-
- >This also includes the hangers at 501 Bolsa Avenue
- >in Huntington Beach (McDonnell Douglas Space Systems Plant) where the
- >DC would be built.
-
- DC is being developed by SDIO, not NASA. It wouldn't have shown up in
- Pike's analysis. Please be honest Dennis.
-
- >>I just looked up the exact numbers. At 10 flights per year (roughly 80%
- >>the US MLV market) a DC-1 should (if it works) cost $2700 per pound. This
- >>is a third the cost of Shuttle and about 25% less than existing expendables.
- >>If flight rate goes to 12 a year then costs drop to about $2300 per pound.
- >>This assumes a $3B (twice McD's estimate) DDT&E cost over 10 years.
-
- >Allen did you include the $9.9 billion dollar (1960 dollar) cost of the
- >development of the Titan?
-
- Did Boeing amortize the development costs of the MD-11 as part of the 767?
- Your question has about the same level of meaning.
-
- >Creative accounting does wonders when you sin by omission. As for some earlier
- >commets of your about the shuttle being at maximum flight rate, it is obvious
- >that NASA can launch one per month.
-
- I have stated my criteria before. When they can do it for two years then
- I'll accept it.
-
- >Also for your comment that the Shuttle can't handle more than 50 launches, I
- >would love to hear your references for that.
-
- Since I didn't say that I can't give you a reference.
-
- Allen
-
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