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- From: dietz@cs.rochester.edu (Paul Dietz)
- Subject: Re: Justification for the Space Program
- Message-ID: <1992Dec22.020021.7541@cs.rochester.edu>
- Organization: University of Rochester
- References: <20DEC199222321742@judy.uh.edu> <1992Dec21.163942.17983@cs.rochester.edu> <21DEC199218250184@judy.uh.edu>
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- Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 02:00:21 GMT
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- In article <21DEC199218250184@judy.uh.edu> wingo%cspara.decnet@Fedex.Msfc.Nasa.Gov writes:
- >In article <1992Dec21.163942.17983@cs.rochester.edu>, dietz@cs.rochester.edu (Paul Dietz) writes...
-
- >>I asked Wingo to bring up a resource that could be obtained from
- >>space that was not substitutable, used in small quantities so that
- >>price rises could be tolerated, or in short supply. He suggested
- >>platinum.
- >
- >Paul Platinum is only one of many metals that, if we have at a minimum, a
- >translunar transporation system would be cheaper.
-
- So, trot out your claims so I can shoot them down. And no more
- of that lunar titanium nonsense, ok? I debunked that last time.
-
- BTW, it is *not* obvious that having a translunar transportation
- system would make platinum group mining economical. This system would
- have costs, which could be high, as would the mining operation. Since
- the market for platinum is rather small (a few billion $/year), it by
- itself cannot justify much space activity.
-
- Moreover, there's a subtle shift you're making here. I could even
- agree that someday space activities could be profitable. Well,
- wonderful. What I'm not willing to accept is poorly conceived
- neomalthusian nonsense about space being *essential*. Apocalyptic
- claims of this kind are *classic* propaganda tools, used by all
- sorts of quasi-religions. They require evidence.
-
- >of technologies as justifications for the program. A serious considered look
- >at the problems of pollution, population, and wealth generation from a
- >systems perspective clearly show the advantage of increasing the resource
- >base upon which mankind must draw for survival and prosperity.
-
- Blah, blah, blah. This is all vacuous mouthings. Please present
- *specific* things which we can judge.
-
- > must press forward without Von Braun. Your arguments within the narrow
- > context of your statements may by true. What you are forgetting is
- > that there is much more to this world than your perspective and your
- > view.
-
- I'm willing to be convinced by facts. Just what convinced you, if
- not facts?
-
- > Wake up, look around, if we do not take this chance it may be a very
- > long time before the chance will come again.
-
- Please justify that. Looks like more crap to me. The world is
- getting, on average, wealthier and more productive, so I would have
- thought that the future would hold more spending on luxuries like
- space. Just what is it that we must do *now*?
-
- > The destiny that the
- > dirtballers want leads in the end to poverty and a dimming tomorrow.
-
- When unable to supply a rational argument, resort to proof by assertion.
- Wonderful.
-
- Paul F. Dietz
- dietz@cs.rochester.edu
-
-