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- From: "James F. Tims" <p00168@psilink.com>
- Subject: Re: Will the -REAL- Christians please stand up? Was: What did Judas betray?
- In-Reply-To: <1993Jan3.025224.17784@hfsi.uucp>
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- Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 15:09:19 GMT
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- >DATE: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 02:52:24 GMT
- >FROM: John Ata - FSO <ata@hfsi.uucp>
- >
- >In article <1i44cuINN86i@iraul1.ira.uka.de> stoesser@i31s17.ira.uka.de (Achim Stoesser) writes:
- >>In article <1993Jan1.191432.13862@hfsi.uucp>, ata@hfsi.uucp (John Ata - FSO) writes:
- >>|> In article <1humf2INNniq@iraul1.ira.uka.de> stoesser@i31s17.ira.uka.de (Achim Stoesser) writes:
- >>|> >In article <bruce.725729139@cortex>, bruce@cortex.dixie.com (R. Bruce Rakes) writes:
- >>...
- >>|> >|> It is my understanding that Nazi Germany was Xtian. Can anyone else
- >>|> >|> confirm this?
- >>|> >
- >>|> >- Hitler was Roman Catholic.
- >>|>
- >>|> His regime and his government, however, were not founded on
- >>|> Christian values. That is the point that was being made (although
- >>|> I agree that Hitler's "religion" can cloud the issue). I don't
- >>|> know of any Christian denomination at the time of Hitler that
- >>|> espoused the killing of non-Christians as even remotely following
- >>
- >>So the Pope was not a Christian? (You deleted my line "- Pope Pius IX (?)
- >>was the first one to make contracts with Hitler.")
- >
- >What do you mean by making contracts with Hitler? Do you mean the
- >the Pope made a contract with Hitler to kill non-Christians or to
- >espouse the superiority of the Aryan race?
- >
- >>
- >>|> Christ. I won't even mention the superiority of one race over
- >>|> another, etc. Therefore the beliefs and actions of his regime are
- >>|> in direct contradiction to the faith he claimed to have as well
- >>|> the teachings of Christ. Quoting his belief in a God doesn't
- >>
- >>Probably _any_ beliefs or actions ar in contradiction to "the(sic!) teachings
- >>of Christ" because these teachings are contradictive by itself and/or subject
- >>to contradictive interpretation. Hence, nobody is a Christian.
- >
- >Sorry, this is pure nonsense. Hitler's actions were not only in
- >direct violation of Jesus's teaching but also against the law and
- >norms of the RC Church in his day as well as today. If you would
- >like Scriptural and/or RC canon law references, I would be happy
- >to do so, although we probably should continue such an exchange in
- >another forum such as Email.
- >
- >--
- >John G. Ata - Technical Consultant | Internet: ata@hfsi.com
-
- Sorry, this is pure quibbling. What in the world does violation of
- JC's or the RC's teaching have to do with Pope Pius IX making deals with
- Hitler? Though it would be a surprise to see anything of substance
- from your side of the aisle, this particular tack supports one of the arguments
- raised against you, i.e. that Xians do not follow the teachings of JC
- and that we cannot look to the New Testament for a definition of Xian.
-
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- /666; ', jim tims
- ////; _~ - p00168@psilink.com
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- ;;|\..(( -C----> Considering the Vatican's Machiavellian history, why
- ;;| >- `.__),;; are you even surprised that Pope Pius IX supported Hitler?
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