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- From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
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- Subject: Re: Will the -REAL- Christians please stand up? Was: What did Judas betray?
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- Date: 3 Jan 93 04:24:13 GMT
- References: <1humf2INNniq@iraul1.ira.uka.de> <1993Jan1.191432.13862@hfsi.uucp> <1i44cuINN86i@iraul1.ira.uka.de> <1993Jan3.025224.17784@hfsi.uucp>
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- In article <1993Jan3.025224.17784@hfsi.uucp>, ata@hfsi.uucp (John Ata - FSO) writes:
- |> In article <1i44cuINN86i@iraul1.ira.uka.de> stoesser@i31s17.ira.uka.de (Achim Stoesser) writes:
- |> >In article <1993Jan1.191432.13862@hfsi.uucp>, ata@hfsi.uucp (John Ata - FSO) writes:
- |> >|> In article <1humf2INNniq@iraul1.ira.uka.de> stoesser@i31s17.ira.uka.de (Achim Stoesser) writes:
- |> >|> >In article <bruce.725729139@cortex>, bruce@cortex.dixie.com (R. Bruce Rakes) writes:
- |> >...
- |> >|> >|> It is my understanding that Nazi Germany was Xtian. Can anyone else
- |> >|> >|> confirm this?
- |> >|> >
- |> >|> >- Hitler was Roman Catholic.
- |> >|>
- |> >|> His regime and his government, however, were not founded on
- |> >|> Christian values. That is the point that was being made (although
- |> >|> I agree that Hitler's "religion" can cloud the issue). I don't
- |> >|> know of any Christian denomination at the time of Hitler that
- |> >|> espoused the killing of non-Christians as even remotely following
- |> >
- |> >So the Pope was not a Christian? (You deleted my line "- Pope Pius IX (?)
- |> >was the first one to make contracts with Hitler.")
- |>
- |> What do you mean by making contracts with Hitler? Do you mean the
- |> the Pope made a contract with Hitler to kill non-Christians or to
- |> espouse the superiority of the Aryan race?
-
- I recall that the play "The Deputy" by Rudolph Hochhuth contains an
- allegation that the Catholic Church contracted to supply mercury from
- church owned mines in Spain to Germany for its war effort.
-
- |>
- |> >
- |> >|> Christ. I won't even mention the superiority of one race over
- |> >|> another, etc. Therefore the beliefs and actions of his regime are
- |> >|> in direct contradiction to the faith he claimed to have as well
- |> >|> the teachings of Christ. Quoting his belief in a God doesn't
- |> >
- |> >Probably _any_ beliefs or actions ar in contradiction to "the(sic!) teachings
- |> >of Christ" because these teachings are contradictive by itself and/or subject
- |> >to contradictive interpretation. Hence, nobody is a Christian.
- |>
- |> Sorry, this is pure nonsense. Hitler's actions were not only in
- |> direct violation of Jesus's teaching but also against the law and
- |> norms of the RC Church in his day as well as today.
-
- The Church collaborated with Hitler. Now you say that Hitler violated
- " the law and norms of the RC Church in his day".
-
- All that tells us is that the Church will collaborate with Tyrants who
- violate Church law. So what's new?
-
- jon.
-