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- From: ata@hfsi.uucp (John Ata - FSO)
- Subject: Re: Will the -REAL- Christians please stand up? Was: What did Judas betray?
- Message-ID: <1993Jan1.191432.13862@hfsi.uucp>
- Reply-To: ata@hfsi.UUCP (John Ata - FSO)
- Organization: HFSI, McLean VA.
- References: <1992Dec24.172824.12799@cbfsb.cb.att.com> <1992Dec27.235003.4413@rosevax.rosemount.com> <eharbin.725547983@convex.convex.com> <bruce.725729139@cortex> <1humf2INNniq@iraul1.ira.uka.de>
- Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 19:14:32 GMT
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- In article <1humf2INNniq@iraul1.ira.uka.de> stoesser@i31s17.ira.uka.de (Achim Stoesser) writes:
- >In article <bruce.725729139@cortex>, bruce@cortex.dixie.com (R. Bruce Rakes) writes:
- >|> eharbin@convex.com (Edward Harbin) writes:
- >|>
- >|> >In <1992Dec27.235003.4413@rosevax.rosemount.com> grante@aquarius.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards) writes:
- >|>
- >|> >>Thousands (if not millions) of people have been tortured and killed in
- >|> >>the service of christianity. Even the thousand-year old conflict
- >|> >>between the celts and the anglo-saxons is now reported as a conflict
- >|> >>between protestants and catholics.
- >|>
- >|> >On the other hand, in what non-Christian country would you choose to live?
- >|> >This century has tried several experiments in explicitly anti-religious
- >|> >statecraft - and the body count has been stupendous. In the enlightened regimes
- >|> >of Hitler and Mao, Stalin and Pol Pot you have exemplars of what you seek;
- >|> ^^^^^^
- >|> >and aren't you proud? Probably not, for it's unlikely that you hold the
- >|> >non-religious to the same standards you reserve for the religious, or identify
- >|> >yourself with the fruits of that point of view.
- >|>
- >|> It is my understanding that Nazi Germany was Xtian. Can anyone else
- >|> confirm this?
- >|>
- >
- >- Hitler was Roman Catholic.
-
- His regime and his government, however, were not founded on
- Christian values. That is the point that was being made (although
- I agree that Hitler's "religion" can cloud the issue). I don't
- know of any Christian denomination at the time of Hitler that
- espoused the killing of non-Christians as even remotely following
- Christ. I won't even mention the superiority of one race over
- another, etc. Therefore the beliefs and actions of his regime are
- in direct contradiction to the faith he claimed to have as well
- the teachings of Christ. Quoting his belief in a God doesn't
- change that fact nor does it make his regime necessarily religious
- at all.
-
- >
- > Of course, someone bad believing something does not make that belief
- > wrong.
- ><<<
-
- Agreed.
-
- >|> R. Bruce Rakes, Software Systems Manager
-
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