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- From: ata@hfsi.uucp (John Ata - FSO)
- Subject: Re: Will the -REAL- Christians please stand up? Was: What did Judas betray?
- Message-ID: <1992Dec30.060022.4740@hfsi.uucp>
- Reply-To: ata@hfsi.UUCP (John Ata - FSO)
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- References: <1992Dec28.165941.28423@hfsi.uucp> <1992Dec28.215354.24896@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> <1992Dec29.183758.2411@hfsi.uucp> <1992Dec29.201554.17424@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>
- Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 06:00:22 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec29.201554.17424@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:
- >
- >Fine. I read the Gospels and conclude that to be like Jesus I must destroy
- >things like he did to fig trees. Thus the Crusaders were behaving in a
- >Christ-like manner.
-
- Did you really come to this conclusion? Perhaps you also came to the
- conclusion after listening to the George Washington tale of the cherry
- tree that to be president one day, one must cut down a cherry tree!
-
- >
- >>There seems to be a notion that the fights that different
- >>Christian denominations have with one another were over the basic
- >>values of Jesus.
- >
- >Of course, the fights were over other things _also_, but the disagreement over
- >the basic values of Jesus _did_ have _something_ to do with it.
-
- Such as?
-
- >
- >>Rather,
- >>after reading the Gospels, one gets an idea of what Jesus stood
- >>for: e.g. Love of the one true God, love of neighbor from which
- >>springs forth mercy, compassion, unlimited forgiveness, etc.
- >>These values are not contested by any Christian denomination that
- >>I know of but are universally accepted because to deny them would
- >>deny the essence of who Jesus was.
- >
- >These values were contested by many, such as the Crusaders and the
- >Inquisition.
-
- I rather doubt they were contested, but merely overlooked or
- ignored in persuit of some other goal.
-
- >
- >Many Christian denominations also accept these values, but disagree on what
- >they mean--exactly what does mercy or compassion _mean_? Many Christians
- >do things in the name of mercy or compassion that other Christians think are
- >not merciful or compassionate.
-
- Hmm, here we go again with the self paralysis. We just say that it's
- impossible to define XYZ because two people in the universe might have
- a difference of opinion of its meaning under certain circumstances.
-
- Random House Dictionary:
-
- Compassion - a deep feeling of sympathy for another persons suffering or
- misfortune.
-
- Mercy - 1 - Compassion shown towards an offender or enemy.
- 2 - A disposition to forgive or forbear.
-
- Now given the above definition, what problem do you see?
-
- >--
-
- >Ken Arromdee (arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu, arromdee@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu)
-
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