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- From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
- Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,alt.messianic
- Subject: Re: Will the -REAL- Christians please stand up? Was: What did Judas betray?
- Date: 28 Dec 1992 23:23:24 GMT
- Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
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- References: <1992Dec24.172824.12799@cbfsb.cb.att.com> <1992Dec27.235003.4413@rosevax.rosemount.com> <eharbin.725547983@convex.convex.com> <1992Dec28.192307.14583@walter.bellcore.com>,<eharbin.725572840@convex.convex.com>
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- In article <eharbin.725572840@convex.convex.com>, eharbin@convex.com (Edward Harbin) writes:
- >Most Christians have trouble with none of the above. What Christianity
- >had to contribute was a metaphysics which accepted simultaneously immanence
- >and transcendence: nature was a created good in which truths may be found
- >which reflect a transcendent order. And some other wrinkles. But put the
- >shoe on the other foot, - why _did_ Newton, Copernicus, Galileo, [long
- >list follows] come from a Christian environment, if that environment were
- >not in some way friendly to their development?
-
- Because of a felicitous combination of improvements in the economy (opposed by
- Christians: The Church, of course banned usury, which was one of the driving
- forces in the economic improvements; fortunately there were enough
- non-Christians around to serve as bankers), and improvements in technology
- (closely coupled with the burgeoning economy).
-
- Oh, by the way: Just because those fellows were in a Christian environment
- doesn't mean you can claim Christianity as the causative factor. If you do
- that, then you've also got to claim astrology as equally important, at least
- for the astronomical discoveries.
-
- Your argument uses the fallacy of "post hoc, ergo propter hoc." Not very
- convincing, that.
-
-
- >I have the highest regard for the cultural and ethical attainments of
- >other religions.
-
- BULLSHIT! In a previous post, you equated non-Christian with areligious. At
- least you're properly hypocritical for a Christian.
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- Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My
- understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So
- unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
- organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
- hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.
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