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- From: kenl@origami.cc.bellcore.com (Ken Lehner)
- Subject: Re: Will the -REAL- Christians please stand up? Was: What did Judas betray?
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- References: <1992Dec24.172824.12799@cbfsb.cb.att.com> <1992Dec27.235003.4413@rosevax.rosemount.com> <eharbin.725547983@convex.convex.com> <1992Dec28.192307.14583@walter.bellcore.com> <eharbin.725572840@convex.convex.com>
- Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 21:47:38 GMT
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- In article <eharbin.725572840@convex.convex.com>, eharbin@convex.com (Edward Harbin) writes:
- |> In <1992Dec28.192307.14583@walter.bellcore.com> kenl@origami.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Ken Lehner) writes:
- |>
- |> >In article <eharbin.725547983@convex.convex.com>, eharbin@convex.com (Edward Harbin) writes:
- |>
- |> >|> It was in Christian societies that both modern science and
- |>
- |> >Have you heard of Arabic numbers? Where exactly did geometry originate?
- |>
- |> There were of course interesting approaches to the sciences in Arab countries,
- |> classical Greece, India, and China. But the critical combination of
- |> mathematics and observation that we think of as modern science came to life
- |> in the cathedral schools of Paris, Bologna, and Cambridge.
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- Big of you ("interesting approaches", indeed).
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- |> Most Christians have trouble with none of the above. What Christianity
- |> had to contribute was a metaphysics which accepted simultaneously immanence
- |> and transcendence: nature was a created good in which truths may be found
- |> which reflect a transcendent order. And some other wrinkles. But put the
- |> shoe on the other foot, - why _did_ Newton, Copernicus, Galileo, [long
- |> list follows] come from a Christian environment, if that environment were
- |> not in some way friendly to their development?
- |>
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- You still do not state what aspect of Christianity contributed to the
- evolution of modern science, other than financial backing ("the cathedral
- schools"). "A metaphysics which accepted..." says to me that it did not
- stand in the way of such evolution.
-
- Please keep the shoe on the original foot, until we can determine if it
- fits. YOU made the connection between Christian society and the evolution
- of modern science. I'd like to hear what unique contribution Christian
- society made toward this evolution; preferably, a contribution that stems
- from some innate aspect of Christianity. Does Christian doctrine
- encourage the questioning of accepted knowledge (e.g., geocentricity)?
- Something like that.
-