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- From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
- Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,alt.messianic
- Subject: Re: Will the -REAL- Christians please stand up? Was: What did Judas betray?
- Date: 28 Dec 1992 17:57:48 GMT
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- References: <1992Dec24.172824.12799@cbfsb.cb.att.com> <1992Dec27.235003.4413@rosevax.rosemount.com>,<1992Dec28.165941.28423@hfsi.uucp>
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- In article <1992Dec28.165941.28423@hfsi.uucp>, ata@hfsi.uucp (John Ata - FSO) writes:
- >You can make the same point about most groups and reach the same
- >conclusion. Are Reagan Democrats "real" Democrats? Are Clinton
- >Republican "real" Republicans?
-
- Yes, to both, since there's a well-defined definition of both Democrat and
- Republican: It depends solely on what party you've registered with.
-
- >In the end, the only definition
- >that counts of a Republican or Democrat is one who is registered
- >as such regardless of their belief.
-
- That's correct.
-
- >So a Klu-Klux Clan president
- >can legally say that he is Republican, but since his beliefs are
- >diametrically opposed to what Republicans normally think, his
- >opinions are not generally researched for the core beliefs of the
- >Republican Party. And I would suggest that a Christian is one who
- >thinks that they are following Christ regardless if some of their
- >beliefs are in variance with other Christian beliefs.
-
- In other words, if he calls himself a Christian, then he *IS* a Christian.
- Or have you, John, perhaps developed the ability to read minds? If this person
- says he truly believes he's following Christ, how do you know that that is *NOT*
- what he really believes?
-
- >However, if
- >someone claims to be a Christian and then ignores the core beliefs
- >of Jesus, although they may be called a Christian in name, their
- >actions are there for everyone to see and discriminate.
-
- John: WHO THE HELL GETS TO DEFINE "THE CORE BELIEFS OF JESUS?" Christians of
- various demoninations have be slaughtering each other for milennia
- because THEY CAN'T AGREE ON WHAT "THE CORE BELIEFS OF JESUS" are.
- Why can't you get that one simple (though to your position, extremely
- problematical) fact through your head and into your mind?
-
- I know, I know, the "core beliefs of Jesus" are obvious to you, John Ata, and
- anybody who disagrees with you is NOT A REAL CHRISTIAN.
-
- You dogmatic stupidity really *IS* beyond belief.
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