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- From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)
- Newsgroups: sci.skeptic
- Subject: Re: Repost of Truzzi Lecture: How to Hand
- Date: 27 Dec 1992 12:31:59 GMT
- Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera
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- References: <Bzq2s7.2An@cs.uiuc.edu>,<1992Dec23.194106.12517@exu.ericsson.se>
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- In article <1992Dec23.194106.12517@exu.ericsson.se>, exudeb@exu.ericsson.se (Dave Breeding, xt-dGR,) writes:
- >>Hmm. I am surprised to hear that either of these two approaches qualifies
- >>as "science"! This, of course is very "balanced" of Truzzi--he stands
- >>firmly between a straw scylla (sp?) and a straw charibdis (sp?)! Truly
- >>the only place for any reasonable (straw) philosopher to stand.
- >>
- >>I leave a cataloging of the flaws in this kind of argument as an
- >>exercise for undergraduate rhetoric students.
- >>
- >
- >Hi Robert:
- >
- >Unfortunately, I'm not an undergraduate rhetoric student, so please
- >help me with this. My understanding of the Truzzi article was that he
- >was simply enumerating three ways that people commonly approach these
- >anomalies,
-
- Hmmm. I don't suppose you bothered to try to come up with examples of either
- of the first two ways Truzzi talked about? You see, what he did was to claim,
- without evidence, that all but his select group fell into the first two
- categories. In particular, he claimed (without evidence and by implication)
- that most of conventional science falls into his "debunker" category. Now,
- once you've swallowed THAT particular lie, the rest will go down quite easily.
- Maybe you SHOULD take an undergraduate course in rhetoric. It will teach you
- to challenge suppositions.
-
- >and that he was arguing that the third way was the most
- >appropriate for the scientific community. He seems to me to be saying
- >that the first two ways are not science, which is what you seem to be
- >saying also. And yet you seem to be disagreeing with him. ???
-
- In particular, he's saying that his group is somehow unusual in being neither
- credulous nor closed-minded. Where have we heard something like that before?
- Ah, yes:
- Our way is the right way!
- Our way is the only way!
- Sieg Heil!
- See, Truzzi isn't even original in the strategy of the Big Lie!
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