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- From: tke@shep.att.com (Tom Epstein [415])
- Subject: Will the -REAL- Christians please stand up? Was: What did Judas betray?
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- References: <roelle.724628610@uars_mag> <1992Dec22.235840.8901@rosevax.rosemount.com>
- Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 17:28:24 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec22.235840.8901@rosevax.rosemount.com> (Grant Edwards)
- writes in part:
-
- |>
- |> The point was: If somebody _claims_ to be a christian, how are we
- |> poor, ignorant, non-believers to judge whether or not they _are_ a
- |> christian? We can't, so we must operate under the assumption that
- |> somebody who claims to be a christian _is_ a christian.
- |>
- |> --
- |> Grant Edwards |Yow! I'm reporting for duty
- |> Rosemount Inc. |as a modern person. I want
- |> |to do the Latin Hustle now!
- |> grante@aquarius.rosemount.com |
-
- ................................................................................
-
- Mr. Edward's question, "...how are we... to judge whether or not they _are_a
- (sic) christian" is a valid one. It seems to me; however, that his conclusion
- that skeptics *must* assume that "somebody who claims to be a christian _is_ a
- christian" is not easy to defend. If one wishes to hold the skeptical line, the
- best conclusion one can draw from anyone's claim of Christianity (unless other
- evidence is offered) is, "This person claims to be a Christian."
-
- An ancient debate within the Church has been centered on the question of exactly
- how one should define the word, "Christian;" both as it is used as a noun and an
- adjective. The debate has been so hot in fact that many people have committed
- acts in the name of their definition(s) that I suppose Christ Himself would con-
- demn them. e.g: The drowning of Ana-baptists by Lutherans, The Spanish Inqui-
- sition, and so on.
-
- I would almost expect it to be taken as axiomatic that persons who ferverently
- behave in a manner which Jesus (based upon what Christians themselves believe
- were his teachings) would condemn should not be assumed to be Christians, bar-
- ring any evidence other than their claims. As the old saying goes:
-
- "If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and
- lays duck eggs like a duck, the chances are pretty good that its a
- duck."
-
- Of course Jesus is reported to have said it better:
-
- "... by their fruit you will recognize them." (Matt. Chap. 7: Vs. 20)
-
- --
- Truly,
-
- Tom
-