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- From: swf@tools3teradata.com (Stan Friesen)
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- Subject: Re: Crucifixion of Jesus?
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- Date: 23 Dec 92 19:07:54 GMT
- References: <1992Dec10.211744.1@stsci.edu> <1992Dec12.005349.25319@netcom.com> <1992Dec14.034645.791@hfsi.uucp> <1992Dec15.002757.14586@netcom.com> <1992Dec17.180435.17980@hfsi.uucp>
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- In article <1992Dec17.180435.17980@hfsi.uucp>, ata@hfsi.uucp (John Ata - FSO) writes:
- |> >Jesus being called "the son of Mary" (which implies an illegitimate
- |> >paternity), Jesus needing to be baptised, etc.
- |>
- |> Just curious, but how does Jesus being called the son of Mary
- |> imply illegitimacy? Remember, at the time of the passage Joseph
- |> is believed to have been dead. It seems quite natural to be
- |> labeled the son of a widow, doesn't it?
-
- I doubt it. In most cultures that use patronymics the son continues to use
- it his entire life, even after his father dies. Changing a person's *name*
- just because his father died sort of defeats the purpose of having the extra
- part of the name, after all.
-
- So, yes, using a matronymic *does* imply the father is unknown.
-
- [Note, I *do* agree with you that the best evidence supports a crucifixion].
-
- |> > Arguably, you could be right, there *might* have been no need to mention
- |> > the cross - although we see that by the time he wrote 1 Corinthians,
- |> > Paul had become positively *obsessed* with "the cross." The significance
- |> > of this matter is that 1 Thess. 2:15 quite plainly blames the JEWS, not
- |> > the Romans, for executing Jesus. This implies that, when it was written
- |> > (c. 48) Paul had in mind a Jewish, not a Roman, execution.
- |>
- |> Not at all. "Blame" as you put it, has no necessary connection
- |> with who did the actual execution. If I pay someone to murder my
- |> brother, then who shoulders the majority of the blame, myself or
- |> the payed hit man?
-
- Under current law, I suspect you are considered equally to blame.
-
- Though I do not really like to talk about blame in this case, it obscures
- the real point of His execution.
-
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