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- Path: sparky!uunet!coplex!chuck
- From: chuck@coplex.com (Chuck Sites)
- Subject: More comments on Analysis of Tom's Cells
- Organization: Copper Electronics, Inc.
- Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1993 07:01:56 GMT
- Message-ID: <1993Jan3.070156.27190@coplex.com>
- Summary: Reply to Frank Close's comments, + some more.
- Keywords: X-Rays, Transmutaion, Fusion, Tom Droege, Frank Close, SEM
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- So much has been going on, I'm just now getting caught up. Holidays
- have an interesting way of blowing ones concentration. I'm just now getting
- to the "Electrostatic Fusion" material, and so far I don't doubt thier claims.
- It's quite an interesting comparison that Terry Bollinger make between this
- and "Fracto-fusion". Most people think of fractures a quite large effect
- compaired to atomic scales. That's not necessarily so, most are 10 angstroms
- or so, and are classified as plastic deformations, and brittle metal fratures.
- Pd tends towards plastic and Ti brittle, but hydration stiffens Pd and softens
- Ti. There is a lot to fracturing as I've be learning, and so far it seems like
- a very possible stimulus for fusion in metal as seen by Steve Jones, Menlove,
- etc. Anyway, back to some old material. This may be out of date, but it's
- something I would like to get of my chest. Frank Close apparently has a
- misunderstanding of the capabilities of anylitical electronmicroscopy
- and what we found in Tom Droege's cells.
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- Tom is correct, we are just experimenting, not making claims. (Yet.)
- Experimenting is basically, learning, refining thoughts, then methods,
- and experimenting again. Try Try again. We all learn from this. The
- metal transport problem between cathode/anode and extraneous sources are
- important as Dieter Britz argues. (Dieter, I did see a very small Cr peak
- in one scan of the "Takahashi style" electrode, but at the time, we thought
- it was an artifact and dismissed it.) Being clean of oils is important too
- as Jed Rothewell argues. I didn't see any obvious effects of this in Tom's
- cells, but we were not looking for organics. Well, such is experimenting
- sometimes it's right, sometimes wrong, and then sometimes it... well...
- how can I put this Frank.. ehh.. mis-stated hear-say.
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- In a recent posting by Dr. F. Close, there are a couple of comments
- I would like to correct. The elemental analysis we did of Tom Droege's
- cells were done by electron X-ray backscatter techniques. This technique
- has the advantage that ZrO is easily distinguished from Pd. There is no
- problem with molecular masses being confused with atomic masses as in
- mass-spec. The disadvantage is that isotope separation is difficult since
- the X-ray spectrum of an isotope is only shifted by the hyperfine constant.
- That type of information is easily lost in the detector/MCA. Our detection
- capabilities were further limited by running the system with the light
- element window closed (to protect the SiLI detector from residual D & Li
- in the cell), so we are limited to elements above Oxygen. Infact isotope
- shifts can't be done with the type of equipment we are using as far as I
- know. But if there was Zr in Tom's Cells we would have seen that simply
- because it's X-ray spectrum is quite different from Pd.
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- What we did have problems with was the ability to quantify what might
- be a trace amount of Ag in Pd cells. Our instruments reported trace
- amounts in the cells labeled "Fractured electrode" (FE) and "Takahashi
- style" (TS) at about 1% localized to areas about 1 nm^2 . The problem is
- this could be a spectral peak overlap from the strong PD line. However,
- I did observe an escape peak for Ag while looking at a sharp fractured edge
- in FE, but because of metal transport problem (found by our work), this may
- moot since the source could have come from one of the brass connectors that
- made contact with the electrolyte. I should know more when we do our next
- run.
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- In spite of what that somewhat gray analysis, what we did find may
- be more important to the experimentalist than anything. Metal transport
- has a profound effect on the surface structure. The electrolyte material
- has a similar effect on the surface. Those are to be expected, but are
- these metal deposits benfitial to the production of hydrated metal excess
- heat effects, anonomolus nuclear effects, hydrogen-band formation, or what
- ever? This still remains a unknown, as are so many things in this
- cutting edge science field.
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- Lastly Frank, I just heard you speak on Radio Canada shortwave in a
- segment called "Of Quirks and Quarks." Very fascinating talk I must say
- although it was pure-luck finding it. Do you have such detailed discussions
- on the goings on of "Cold Fusion"? I would like to get your opinion. What is
- your belief on the connection between hydrated metal excess heat and fusion
- in metals? What's your favorite theory?
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- Happy New Year!
- Have fun,
- Chuck Sites
- chuck@coplex.com
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