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- From: mcirvin@husc8.harvard.edu (Matt McIrvin)
- Newsgroups: sci.physics
- Subject: Re: hidden variables
- Message-ID: <mcirvin.725844416@husc.harvard.edu>
- Date: 31 Dec 92 23:26:56 GMT
- References: <31DEC199211004292@author.gsfc.nasa.gov> <1992Dec31.222704.19821@asl.dl.nec.com>
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- terry@asl.dl.nec.com writes:
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- >In article <31DEC199211004292@author.gsfc.nasa.gov>
- >rkoehler@author.gsfc.nasa.gov (Bob Koehler) writes:
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- >> Would someone be so kind as to summarize the argument that hidden variable
- >> theories violate causality?
-
- >They don't. Hidden variable theories simply say that the values controlling
- >two "readings" of what was originally a single quantum event (e.g., release
- >of two oppositely polarized photons) were fully determined when the event
- >happened. They are very mundane, actually, requiring only that each "piece"
- >emanating out of such a quantum event should carry all the information ever
- >needed to make accurate statistical predictions about it.
-
- >As John Bell showed, such theories are mathematically incompatible with the
- >predictions of ordinary quantum mechanics, which requires "spooky action at
- >a distance" to make its predictions.
-
- [argument that QM doesn't really violate causality deleted]
-
- You're referring to *local* hidden-variable theories of the EPR variety.
- Those don't violate causality; but many of them, at least, are excluded
- by Aspect's results. I think he may be referring to the fact that one can
- construct hidden-variable theories like Bohm's pilot wave theory that are
- not so excluded, but which do violate causality in the sense that real
- messages are being transmitted around faster than light on the level
- underlying quantum mechanics.
-
- Of course, such theories remove the original rationale for hidden-variable
- theories, which was precisely to get rid of spooky action at a distance.
-
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