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- From: mcirvin@husc8.harvard.edu (Matt McIrvin)
- Newsgroups: sci.physics
- Subject: Re: FTL communication in SR does not violate causality
- Keywords: FTL SR causality Special Relativity
- Message-ID: <mcirvin.725752126@husc.harvard.edu>
- Date: 30 Dec 92 21:48:46 GMT
- References: <1992Dec9.113220.18185@smsc.sony.com> <1g8h1iINNct6@gap.caltech.edu> <1992Dec28.052805.25364@smsc.sony.com>
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- markc@smsc.sony.com (Mark Corscadden) writes:
-
- [very nice summary of conclusions deleted]
-
- It appears we're in total agreement now, incidentally... faster than
- light communication that preserves causality violates SR, but can be
- made to do no real violence to the current structure of physics,
- as long as you assume some other process that behaves in the way you
- describe.
-
- >So, is it true that misconceptions about FTLC and SR really are common?
- >They seem to be; what do other people think? How many people were aware
- >that FTLC is consistent with the Lorentz transformation (2)? How many
- >have seen "proofs" that FTLC violates causality, proofs which make use
- >of nothing but the Lorentz equations and therefore can't be valid? Does
- >anyone besides me agree that it's worth understanding that neither (1)
- >nor (2) alone contradict FTLC, but only both taken together?
-
- The "proofs" generally really assume (1) as well; that's what I was
- doing in my "counterexample." It's not always clear from the wording,
- though. I really assumed (1) by deciding that a physical situation
- described by certain coordinates in one frame can also be set up to
- be described by the same coordinates in another frame.
-
- It's always worthwhile to know what your assumptions really are.
-
- I wasn't aware of possibilities such as you described until I read
- about one scheme with a preferred frame in, of all places,
- rec.arts.sf.written. The author (whose identity I have unfortunately
- forgotten) described it as a nice way to put FTL communication/travel
- into a science fiction novel without automatically implying causality
- paradoxes.
-
- --
- Matt McIrvin
-