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- From: mkagalen@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (michael kagalenko)
- Subject: Re: bubble in container
- Message-ID: <1992Dec27.013127.29318@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu>
- Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA
- References: <Bzs9I4.IqG@utdallas.edu> <1992Dec26.173915.16068@sfu.ca>
- Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1992 01:31:27 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec26.173915.16068@sfu.ca> Leigh Palmer <palmer@sfu.ca> writes:
- >In article <1992Dec26.033119.5443@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu> michael
- >kagalenko, mkagalen@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu writes:
- >
- >>I can't bear a fealing of pity to the students of SFU, since all of the
- >>above is incorrect. If bubble of air is not accelerating, the pressure
- >>does not depend on its position. (Doubts ? Recall conservation of the
- >>momentum from your "Physics 101" :) I'd like to point out that Arhimed
- >>force on the bubble does not depend on its position as well, provided
- >>liquid is incompressible & container abs. rigid
- >
- >Hmm... I'll try to relieve that "unbearable fealing" you're having. The
- >phenomenon, as I said, is counterintuitive. That is why physics is of
- >value; it replaces intuition when intuition fails us.
- >
- >First, note that the volume, V, of the bubble is constant throughout
- >this process. Thus, if the system is in thermal equilibrium at
- >temperature T*, the pressure, P, in the bubble will remain constant
- >throughout the process. This does not depend upon a particular model for
- >the gas in the bubble, but only upon the *existence* of an equation of
- >state P(V,T). You may think of it as an ideal gas, however, if you wish
- >to do so. The practical efficacy of this phenomenon depends upon the
- >bubble being very compressible, and a gas is a good choice.
- >
- >Second, note that the bubble now establishes a pressure in the fluid in
- >the horizontal plane of its location, since it is in hydrostatic
- >equilibrium with the fluid. Only the position of the bubble is necessary
- >to specify the elevation of this horizontal isobar.
- >
- >Third, consider the pressure at other points in the fluid in hydrostatic
- >equilibrium in a uniform gravitational field which are located a
- >distance z above the bubble. The pressure
- >
- > P(z) = P - rho g z,
- >
- >where the symbols used are the same as before.
- >
- >By raising the altitude of the bubble, and consequently of the
- >(constant) P isobar, we decrease z everywhere in the fluid, thus
- >increasing the pressure correspondingly.
- >
- >Cute, eh? This mechanism, applied to bubbles in magma chambers closed at
- >their tops, has been proposed as the source of the tremendous pressures
- >associated with explosive volcanic eruptions. The energy which is seen
- >in such eruptions is not stored in the relatively incompressible magma,
- >but in the bubbles. The extreme pressures are necessary to rupture the
- >capsules in the first place, and the bubbles (mostly steam, I believe)
- >transport this energy to the surface by rising relatively isochorically.
- >in the magma chamber.
- >
- >This sort of counterintuitive phenomenon, when introduced to a class of
- >students at SFU, usually initiates a lively discussion rather than any
- >feeling of distress. I feel that students receive valuable exercise in
- >thinking when discussing such things. You need not pity them; they do
- >quite well. Last week one of our physics majors successfully defended
- >his physics PhD thesis at Princeton, and another did so at Cambridge. We
- >don't have results like that every week, but we do have a large number
- >of our undergraduates out in the world doing quite well for themselves.
- >
- >Leigh
- >
- >*This is an Ansatz I intentionally neglected to state in order to
- >heighten the sense of mystery by misdirection. You bit because you
- >thought it was a mechanics problem.
-
- Hmm, I'd admit my mistake :) - my arguments mean that the difference
- between pressure on the top & on the bottom of container does not
- depend on the position of the bubble. As a little revenge, I'm posting
- one neat problem (which I solve when I was in the secondary school)
-
- /\
- / \
- / \
- / \
- / \
- / \
- ./________________________\.
- /| /\ |\
- / | / \ | \
- / | / \ | \
- / | /____________\ | \
- / | / | | \ | \
- A / | / | and so | \ | \
- ___./ |/ | on to | \| \.___ B
- \ |\ | the | /| /
- \ | \ | infinity | / | /
- \ | \ |____________| / | /
- \ | \ / | /
- \ | \ / | /
- \ | \ / | /
- \|____________\/____________|/
- \ /
- \ /
- \ /
- \ /
- \ /
- \ /
- \/
-
- This configuration is made of conductive wire which resistance is
- proportional to the length. Let the resistanse of the biggest edge is
- R ; what is the resistance between A & B ? (please, solutions by e-mail;
- do not spoil the pleasure to the others ;-> )
- Enjoy !
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