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- From: sarfatti@well.sf.ca.us (Jack Sarfatti)
- Subject: PSI WARS
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- Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 19:19:12 GMT
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- Re:From: rdnelson@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Roger D. Nelson)
- Subject: Re: Dale Bass on The Good, the Bad, and The Bogus
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- Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1992 08:45:08 GMT
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- In article <Bzqt7u.4pA@well.sf.ca.us> sarfatti@well.sf.ca.us (Jack Sarfatti)
- wri
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- tes:
- [Quote from
- > dale bass
- deleted]
- [Most of response from Sarfatti deleted]
-
- >elite of physics accepted money and favors from Erhard - so if you bring
- >up Erhard you open a Pandora's Box in the physics community. More later
- >if there interest in this.
-
- Unfortunately, I am sure there is "interest in this". But I hope both
- Dale Bass and Jack Sarfatti might restrain themselves and set a good
- example for others by using these precious (or expensive) electrons,
- minutes, and exertions of mind to discuss the interesting physics that
- appeared to be a rarely interesting thread aborning, and set aside for
- the moment their (or, rather, Gardner's) opinions on Sarfatti's
- character and whatnot.
-
- Cheers? Roger
-
- Yes, Roger I agree with you. Henceforth, I suggest that the history of
- the physics elite's involvment with Werner Erhard etc be posted to
- sci.conspiracy rather than sci.physics.
-
- I agree with the person who pointed out that Dale Bass is an agent
- provocateur in that he, more than anyone else, it was claimed, responded
- to Abian and made him into Frankenstein etc.
-
- For the record I am not against a moderated sci.physics.research and
- volunteer to be one of the moderators (though not for my own stuff) I
- am quite capable of being objective e.g., my call to Budnik to explain his
- "delays" more clearly.
-
- I still challenge the conventional guys to explain , according to standard
- QM what happens when an electron is passed through a Stern-Gerlach magnet,
- a spin-flip coil in one path turned on and then the two paths recombined
- by a second Stern Gerlach magnet into one path - what is the proper
- description of the output state given a pure input state? Similarly, for
- a photon with polarizing beam splitters and a half wave plate in one path.
- This experiment is key to seeing whehter quantum mechanics really is unitary
- in the complete sense , or whether it allows a minimal "off-diagonal"
- violation of unitarity that still conserves probability. The question is, is
- the output state a pure state if the input is pure, or is it a mixed state
- due to correlations with the photon field in the spin-flip coil etc.
-