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- From: PL436000@brownvm.brown.edu (Jamie)
- Newsgroups: sci.philosophy.tech
- Subject: Re: Truth again
- Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 11:25:45 EST
- Organization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island USA
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- >Posted on 20 Dec 1992 at 18:54:07 by oleary@staff.tc.umn.edu
-
- J:
- >>Consider the sentence which would come first on an alphabetized
- >>list of 100-word sentences of English.
- >>
- >>It is either a true sentence of English or a false one. No one has
- >>ever interpreted it (I'll wager). With the possible exception of
- >>one of us, no one ever will.
-
- Response from O'Leary:
-
- >Not only do you not define truth with respect to sentences of English, your
- >example is circular. The sentence is or isn't syntactically correct and may
- >or may not have semantic content. By saying that the sentence is on a list
- >of English sentences, you imply that it is syntactically correct. The
- >semantic content of the sentence, however, still depends on it being
- >interpreted.
-
- Of COURSE I didn't define truth with respect to sentences of English.
- Would you like me to do so? What sorts of criteria must I meet? If
- O'Leary insists, I will do my best to define truth for English, but
- I'm not promising anything.
-
- The rest of the objection is very close to jibberish.
- By saying that the sentence is on a list of English sentences I
- OBVIOUSLY imply that it is syntactically correct. Does O'Leary
- deny that the syntactically correct sentences of English are
- enumerable? They are obviously enumerable by an alphabetic list.
- Does he deny that there are ANY 100-word sentences of English?
- Or that the set of 100-word sentences of English is enumerated
- by alphabetization? Or that the list has a first entry?
-
- The semantic content of a sentence depends on its being interpreted
- in one sense. This is precisely the point I have been making.
- If we regard English sentences as intepreted, then they have a truth
- value. Whether they have truth value is independent of whether anyone
- has ever actually interpreted them, or whether anyone ever will
- interpret them. THAT was the point Randall was making. He worried
- that he could not give an example of a sentence that no one has
- ever interpreted or ever will. So I gave an example, not by
- constructing it but by describing a definite English sentence.
-
-
- The complaint that my example is "circular" is ridiculous. No circularity
- has been pointed to.
-
- Jamie
-