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- From: gawne@stsci.edu
- Subject: Effectiveness of Reserves (was Re: Swiss military preparedness?)
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- Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
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- Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 17:13:58 GMT
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- From gawne@stsci.edu
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- In article <Bzo8zo.CKC@law7.DaytonOH.NCR.COM>,
- "Donald R. Newcomb" <dnewcomb@whale.st.usm.edu> writes:
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- > What M. Baechler describes is probably the rule among militia defense
- > forces rather than the exception. As a noncom. in what can be described
- > as a semi-organized militia (the MS State Guard) I can assure you that
- > it is true here. From what I have seen watching Swedish conscripts
- > learning the basics of taking bearings on the pier in Kalmar, it must
- > be true there to. When troops train at home their "gardens" call to
- > them louder than their sergeants. The only exception is found when a
- > danger is perceived to be clear and present (e.g. the Natives just burned
- > the next village upstream; the Soviets are massed in Bohemia and could
- > sweep down through the Emmenthal to flank NATO forces in France).
-
- Well folks, the US Marine Corps Reserve is another exception. I've served
- with three different SMCR units and all of them had well motivated and
- disciplined members. I have furthermore had occassion to deal with members
- of the SMCR from units all over the country and I've never seen any
- problems that didn't have equal or worse counterparts in active duty units.
-
- > The Soviets (and Americans when we conscripted) made a special point
- > to remove conscripts from their home territory for training so that they
- > could hear their sergeants calling.
-
- So? What do conscripts have to do with volunteers? I guess if you are
- going to require every citizen to be in the militia you have an argument
- here.
-
- > The great advantage of the militia concept comes in its economics. All
- > other things being equal, a battalion of the Swiss militia could probably
- > be trained and equipped for the cost of keeping a couple platoons of the
- > USMC for a year. They would, however, be totally useless to anyone with
- > dreams of imperial glory or "vital interests" to defend abroad.
-
- I'm not so sure about this. Marines are pretty cheap. Figuring a couple
- of platoons to be 60 men with an average rank of LCpl (E-3), your largest
- expense is going to be the ~$1 million for pay and allowances. And a lot
- of their pay can be written off as "training" costs. What does it cost to
- train and equip (in annual costs) a battalion of Swiss infantry? Still,
- your point is valid in that militia cost far less than regular forces.
-
- But to expand just a bit, I served 9 years of active duty in the USMC from
- '72 till '81. Since '81 I've been in the Marine Corps Reserve. I've had
- plenty of opportunity to see things from both points of view, and as far
- as I'm concerned the reserve Marine lacks nothing when compared to his
- active duty counterpart.
-
- -Bill Gawne, Space Telescope Science Institute
- GySgt USMCR
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