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- From: altar@beaufort.sfu.ca (Ted Wayn Altar)
- Subject: Re: Prof. Moon et al. on "vitamin" D
- Message-ID: <altar.725784257@sfu.ca>
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- Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
- References: <altar.725693071@sfu.ca> <1992Dec30.195422.14137@walter.bellcore.com>
- Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 06:44:17 GMT
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- Ken Lehner writes:
-
- >I'd like to think I'm objective, because I know nothing of the subject
- >being discussed. I had a few questions and comments about the following
- >post:
-
- Ken, welcome abord to the human condition! I'm sure that we all
- think ourselves to be priviledged with a surplus of objectivity, or
- at least a requisite amount. That you at least reflect upon this
- tendency to habitually pride ourselves in being "objective" already
- sets in motion that important corrective of humility that, I think,
- will indeed help foster a greater degree of objectivity. :-)
-
-
- >Ted Wayn Altar writes:
- >|>
- >|> Here are some of the concluding remarks from this scholarly paper:
- > ^^^^^^^^^
-
- >Why did the poster need to include this adjective, after giving the
- >citation? Sets off an alarm in my mind.
-
- The "poster" added this modifer, "scholarly", because he thought
- it a fitting descriptor. The paper cites 203 references from
- scientific journals. The paper forwards an unifying hypothesis
- to make sense of a huge amount of experimental data and bodies of knowledge
- Finally, the paper has been published in a respectable journal, not
- some non-academic journal. I think it is a fair descriptor to
- call such a paper "scholarly". This doesn't entail that it is
- "right" but it does attempt to convey the fact that the paper is
- broad sweeping and thoughfully draws upon a lot of highly technical and
- specialized information.
-
-
- >|> observation. Thus, the 10 edition of the US RDAs
- >|> concludes:
- >|> Since the toxic level of vitamin D may in some
- >|> cases be only 5 times the RDA, and there is
- >|> evidence that sunlight-stimulated production of the
- >|> vitamin active throughout the warm months, dietary
- > ^^^^^
- > missing something?
-
- >|> supplements may be detrimental for the normal
- >|> child or adult who drinks at least two glasses of
- >|> vitamin D-fortified milk per day.
-
- >Did they say that such fortified milk was potentially dangerous? On the
- >face of it, the words seem to indicate that this is acceptable. What's
- >the difference between such milk and "dietary supplements"?
-
- Good question. Now, I read this passage as denoting "dietary
- supplements" as something in addition to those 2 glasses of milk,
- like that of a multivitamin pill. Given this interpretation,
- what are we to think about the drinking of 3 glasses of milk? ;-)
- Or, what about the individual who has much more than the average
- amount of sun exposure during those warm months; then does
- those 2 glasses of milk become reduced to 1?
-
-
- >|> I think we can all agree that we must always be wary and
- >|> leery of those PSEUDO-EXPERTS who would merely make his or
- >|> her assertions `ex-cathedra', who would resort to a
- >|> patronizing tone or even insults, and ultimately would
- >|> disrespect your independent intelligence. The truly
- >|> informed have no need to belittle others and are quite
-
- >Doesn't mean that the truly informed don't belittle others, though. It is
- >not true that "someone is truly informed if and only if they do not
- >belittle others". Actually, what you say is not true. The acknowledged
- >expert in a given field may have psychological reasons for belittling
- >others; such reasons have no relationship to that person's expertise.
-
- I agree with your logic, but while the form of my statement
- was indeed worded as a general proposition or "universal affirmative",
- it was intended as a *prescription* rather than as a literal
- universal *description*.
-
- Having said that, however, permit me to venture for your
- consideration a personal observation. My experience of having
- seen lecture leading intellectuals/experts like, say, Northlop Frye
- or Noam Chomsky, is that these people evince a remarkable degree
- of self-restraint and humility. For example, Noam Chomsky who
- the New York Times Book Review once said:
-
- "Judged in terms of the power, range,
- novelty and influence of his thought,
- Noam Chomsky is arguably the most important
- intellectual alive"
-
- I personally think there is some truth to this statement ;-)
- Often, when Noam Chomsky is introduced by a moderator, this
- sentence from the NYTBR is often cited. Noam Chomsky,
- however, repeatedly tries to deflate this glowing accolade
- by pointing out that the New York Times Book Review was merely
- parroting what one of his publishers wrote on the jacket of
- one his books.
-
- Chomsky is extremely patient and forgiving of even
- his critics and for years, in spite of a tremedous
- busy schedual lecturing the world-wide and prolifically writing
- scholarly books, Chomsky has also maintained a prolific correspondance
- with ordinary people who simply have written to him out of the
- blue. I know of one student who did just that and was glad to
- have received a long and very gracious and informative letter from
- this eminent sholar. Noam Chomsky, as you may know, is a
- leading and original thinker in psycolinguistics and political
- science. It is rare enough to become eminent in just one small
- and narrowly defined field of intellectual endeavor, but here we
- have the remarkable accomplishment of one person being a leading
- thinker in two quite disparate accademic fields!
-
- I could give many other examples, but I will concur that no
- doubt some exceptions can be found. In general, I do think
- that this kind of academic humility and graciousness is
- a natural outcome of becoming so knowledgeable in an intellectual
- discipline that one then recognizes the overwhelming complexity
- and uncertainty of things. Maybe one also internalizes that general
- collective attitude of scientific cautiousness and humility.
- As Einstein once said:
-
- "as the circle of our knowledge expands, so does the
- circumference of our ignorance"
-
-
- >|> willing to patiently explain and provide substantiation or
- >|> references for their crucial points.
-
- >See above.
-
- See living examples like Noam Chomsky.
-
- >Ken "don't know nothing 'bout biology" Lehner
-
- Ted "don't know much of the French I took
- But I do know that with more human humility
- What a more wonderful world this would be" ;-) :-)
-
- ted
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