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- From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
- Subject: Re: Generic drug store brands.
- Message-ID: <1992Dec31.093159.8158@spdcc.com>
- Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
- References: <b7prn+b@dixie.com> <1992Dec30.182936.14601@spdcc.com> <4zqr==b@dixie.com>
- Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 09:31:59 GMT
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- In article <4zqr==b@dixie.com> jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) writes:
- >No we weren't. "Drugs" is plural above. I interpret his question to
- >be generic.
-
- Yeah, like should I buy the generic little red pills or Sudafed.
- He was talking about OTC medications. But it really doesn't matter
- all that much; I'd have said roughly the same.
-
- >>I'm am sure the knowledge that the manufacturer was A.H. Robins had a much
- >>greater effect on your back pain than any pharmacological effect of either
- >>form of the drug.
- >Actually I had no idea who makes the drug and could care less.
-
- You ultimately knew one was Robaxin and the other was generic methocarbamol.
-
- >Obviously Dyer is capable of diagnosing problems and judging drug effects
- >over the net. What a skill.
-
- I know about drugs; that was the question, after all.
-
- >In my case, I did
- >not know I had a generic until I went to see why the damn stuff was not
- >working. Secondly, my wife has suffered from soft tissue back pain
- >for years. She and her docs have experimented with numerous drugs
- >in an effort to relieve the pain. Valium has little effect other
- >than making her feel bad. Elevil (sp) worked but made her sleep all
- >the time. Robaxin is the ONLY drug tried to date that relieves the
- >pain AND does not cause any side effects. Since she's been using the drug
- >since before my problem, it's effects cannot be attributed to my
- >saying it worked with me.
-
- It is indeed likely to have few side effects, or main effects for that matter.
- Maybe it worked just fine. What we do know is that Robaxin and placebo
- both seem to work equally well against back pain in controlled studies,
- making the measurement of any drug effect virtually impossible.
-
- >Now either or both of our cases might by some stretch of the imagination
- >involve placebo effects but I doubt it. Regardless of the mechanism,
- >the drug gave both of us relief and that's all that really matters.
-
- Glad to hear it.
-
- >My attitude with generics is this. Regardless of the reason I have
- >been prescribed the drug, be it because it is the best available,
- >because the doc read about it in a journal, because the mfr will give
- >him a Benz on the frequent prescriber program or whatever, I have
- >at least a bit of confidence that by the time branded drug is approved
- >by FDA for use, its safety and effectivness has been proven. I have
- >no such assurances regarding some nameless generic.
-
- You most certainly do. All drug manufacturers have to have their drugs FDA
- approved before marketing, regardless of whether the drug has a brand name
- or simply a generic name. Plus, many generic drugs are manufactured and
- sold by first line drug companies, which, having failed to stem the tide
- of low cost generics by scare tactics, decided to cash in on the trend
- themselves.
-
- The Reagan FDA drastically reduced its oversight over drug firms, allowing
- a number of notable cases of fraud to flourish in a few generic drug firms
- (misrepresentation of bioequivalency data for Bolar's Dyazide-clone being
- the most notorious.) Before this, generics had a pretty good track record,
- scare stories by the Pharmaceutical Manufacturers' Association not with-
- standing. There are a few generic drugs which are not interchangable across
- brands because each manufacturer's preparation has different absorption
- characteristics or which may have a low therapeutic index (meaning that small
- variations in dose can lead to too great or too little an effect.) Digoxin
- is the best known of these. "Dyazide" clones (triamterene/hydrochlorothiazide)
- have had a problem with bioequivalence. It doesn't seem to matter much with
- most drugs.
-
- >Everyone is entitled
- >to an opinion on this topic. You now have mine. It's worth what you
- >paid for it.
-
- Not all opinions are worth the same, of course. You get to tell us
- your back pain is gone. I get to tell you that it might not have been
- due to any drug effect, generic or not.
-
- --
- Steve Dyer
- dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
-