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- From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
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- Subject: Re: Peter Breggin, _Toxic Psychiatry_ (Q)
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- Date: 23 Dec 92 16:11:07 GMT
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- In article <Bz9B1v.5nn@unx.sas.com> sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com (Gary Merrill) writes:
- >good one. Phrases applied to Breggin's (and *other's*) criticisms
- >of methodology such as "generally not shared by most academic
- >psychiatrists" are carefully crafted to imply widespread agreement.
- >But notice even here it is *generally*, *most*, and *academic
- >psychiatrists*. Remember, psychiatrists used to think (and not *that*
- >long ago) that lobotomy was just a *dandy* way to go, and all kinds of
- >justifications for it were offered. All you guys who are saying you'd
- >choose ECT for yourselves want to opt for lobotomy too?
- >
- Let's make it more clear then: the overwhelming consensus of
- scientific research into the effectiveness of these methods contravenes
- Breggin's position. Only a *tiny* minority of psychiatrists would
- agree with Breggin. No such research supported a widespread use
- of lobotomy, although it was useful for certain conditions. Under
- current conditions, only accidental lobotomies are being performed,
- although case reports do come up from time to time about people who
- try to blow their brains out, but only get the frontal lobes and
- are much better afterward.
-
- >of the brain that can be treated. The issue here is whether there is a
- >mental disease (say schizophrenia) in the same sense that there is a
- >physical disease (say scarlet fever)]. The attempt to give the impression
- >that there is near universal agreement concerning the issues that Breggin
- >and others raise is, I think, disingenuous.
-
- There is near universal agreement that schizophrenia is a physical
- disease of the brain. There are a few holdout Freudians but
- every year they get less and less.
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