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- From: "chris pinto" <chris.pinto@canrem.com>
- Subject: cfs/fibromyalgia/accutane
- Message-ID: <1992Dec21.4274.28417@dosgate>
- Reply-To: "chris pinto" <chris.pinto@canrem.com>
- Organization: Canada Remote Systems
- Distribution: sci
- Date: 21 Dec 92 17:49:58 EST
- Lines: 102
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- >David Nye
- I'm glad you have found my discovery helpful for your patients. It was
- a huge vast help to me and I thought others who have what I have should
- know about it.
-
- >he will deserve the credit.
-
- If you publish a paper on this feel free to add my name to it, after
- yours. :-) That would be neat.
-
- >Maybe this will get more docs to read this newsgroup, too!
-
- I think a moderated conference would fix things. On the other hand
- initially I was worried about intruding on this doctors conference,
- until I saw all the crackpot messages being posted and replied to. Then
- I ceased to worry. :-)
-
- >Interestingly, she had a couple of nights of poor sleep after dropping
- >the dose, but didn't suffer any increased pain the next day, which is
- >most unusual for her.
-
- A similar thing happened to me too. Before I started the accutane
- getting up early(only 5hrs sleep) would increase my pain by a whopping
- factor of 10! After a few months on the accutane I was surprised to
- find this increase in pain dropped to a factor of 2 or 3, and after 6-7
- months there was either no increase or only a minor one.
-
- >You were able to stop the accutane after several months and your
- >symptoms didn't come back?
-
- I didn't want to comment on reoccurrence of symptoms in my earlier
- messages until I'd given it enough time to be sure. Now I have been
- back on the accutane at 10mg/day for 3 weeks after being off it for
- 2 months. And I must say its just amazing how much better I feel back
- on the accutane. When I went off the accutane the first thing I noticed
- was a huge improvement in my fatigue level then after the first week
- there was a slow increase in pain, general sickness feeling, and to a
- lesser degree fatigue. By the end of two months the pain and the
- feeling sick got quite bad(1500mg/naproxen SR and 40mg/toradol all at
- once and I still spent most of my day in bed on my bad
- days[1 out of 3 days]).
-
- I restarted the accutane 3 weeks ago at a lower dose of 10mg(was taking
- 40mg before I stopped) and within 12 hrs was feeling slightly better,
- and the 2nd day I felt much better. I now feel less sick, less pain,
- but more fatigued. A good trade I think. I have constantly felt much
- better the entire past 3 weeks on the accutane. I'm a lot less fatigued
- now on the 10mg/day then I was on the 40mg/day. 40mg/80mg was necessary
- when I was much sicker, now 10mg is fine.
-
- During the 2 months that I was off the accutane I had a lot more energy,
- but I thought I could still use a little more energy. So I took tenuate
- (an amphetamine) and it caused an increase in the pain that got much
- worse the longer I took it(4 weeks). Got better when I stopped the
- tenuate. At its peak the pain dwarfed the pain that I mentioned above
- (were 1500mg naproxen and 40mg toradol was not very effective).
-
- Observation: The toradol seems far more effective while I'm on the
- accutane. More then would be accounted for by the less pain it has to
- counter. The naproxen works equily well on or off the accutane.
-
- >Hmm. Doubtful. It turns out that there isn't really any inflammation
- >in fibromyalgia to speak of, it just feels that way.
-
- I think in my case it is inflammation. I take naproxen and toradol.
- The naproxen distinctly takes away a feeling of what I think is
- inflammation(and also helps fix a feeling of weakness). Were the
- toradol alone doesn't touch that feeling nor the weakness, but does a
- much better job on the pain. Which fits the fact that toradol has
- little anti-inflammatory effect.
-
- It just thought of something. If the accutane is speeding up the
- maturation, the death and the replacement of inflamed cells, and
- viruses reproduce in cells(eh?), besides the direct inflammation/pain
- fixing that would also kill off a lot of viruses and slow the over all
- virus population reproduction rate, generally making me healthier. Or
- am I totally wrong here?
-
- Also if accutane works on inflamed cells wouldn't the naproxen(an
- anti-inflammatory) inhibit the action of the accutane? I stop taking
- (except rarely) the naproxen and toradol a month ago because of an ulcer
- (I can't tolerate cytotec). That may partly account for why I now feel
- better on 10mg of accutane then I felt on the 40mg 3 months ago.
-
- I really should visit a medical library and read up on this stuff. Have
- you read up on accutane?
-
- I read the reposting of your description of fibromyalgia and I'm not
- sure that's what I have. There is a lot in common, but there are
- several significant differences. No tender points, no morning stiffness
- (its better then if anything), no extra pain when sleep is disturbed,
- but getting up after only 5 hrs sleep would cause the pain to jump up by
- a factor of 10(extreme pain when I was very sick, now over a year ago).
- I also had several symptoms not listed like pain in lymph nodes in neck,
- swollen throat, and brain damage or impairment(got much better as I
- recovered). If you like I can mail you the complete description that I
- typed out for my doctor.
-
- Have any other patients had success with the accutane?
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