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- From: gdavis@griffin.uvm.edu (Gary Davis)
- Subject: Re: Physician's Incomes
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- Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 15:38:03 GMT
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- In <q7crzc-@lynx.unm.edu> cease@carina.unm.edu (Cecilia De Blasi) writes:
-
- >In article <gdavis.724690558@griffin> gdavis@griffin.uvm.edu (Gary Davis) writes:
- >>
- >> My guess would be that the first four undergraduate years could be
- >>better used. Perhaps many of the biochemistry and general science
- >>courses that populate the freshman year of medical school could be
- >>moved to years 3/4 of undergraduate study. Acceptance into medical
- >>school could take place in the sophomore year.
- >>
- >>As far as more information,your point is well taken,but studies show
- >>that even the best medical school students have essentially forgotten
- >>90 to 95 percent of what was taught by the time they do an internship!
- >>Surely there must be quick and better ways to train neophyte physicians.
- >>
- >>As for cost,the system seems to be saying the public be damned!
- >>If new MDS are persuing their careers for 200k to 300k incomes rather
- >>than the public good;I'd be first in line to reform the system.
- >>That is what I believe needs be done,but know it will not be done
- >>by the Clinton administartion or in any likely time interval in the
- >>next 20 to 30 years. Sigh!
- >>
- >>--
- >> Gary E. Davis /WQ1F/
- >> Dpt. Electrical Engineering and Com Sciences
- >> University of Vermont @ Burlington
-
- >I am a medical student at the University of New Mexico (that's in the
- >United States, you know. :) I received my B.S. in astrophysics with
- >a math minor. My class is composed of students with an incredibly
- >diverse background, including anthropology, engineering, dance and
- >history; some of my classmates are parents, and many have worked in the
- >business world prior to medical school. What you are proposing, Sir,
- >would yield a body of physicians who collectively knew very little of
- >the world besides medicine. I consider an undergraduate education (even,
- >or perhaps preferably, in fields having little to do with medicine)
- >before pursuing a medical degree to be an essential step in the
- >development of future doctors; such an education enriches one's mind
- >and prevents "medical myopia." As to the suggestion of decreasing
- >the number of years spent in medical school, I suspect that my entire
- >class would have laughed as heartily as did I at the thought. We are
- >struggling to learn the volumes of information presented to us in our
- >two years of classroom learning, and everything we are being taught is
- >important for any responsible and well-rounded physician to know. If
- >anything, we need more time, not less. I am surprised that anyone would
- >suggest the changes in medical education that you have when such changes
- >would probably produce doctors ill-prepared for practice.
-
-
- There are a lot of things in professional education that would be
- nice,but probably are not cost effective. Allowing the priviledge
- of persuing any discipline as an undergraduate pre-med student
- probably IS one of them. I'm not sure that this four years of
- freedom to choose ciriculum is directly contributing to more
- well rounded or humanitarian physicians. Have you any evidence?
- A lot of med students drop out in their freshman year;they are so
- crushed by the relatively inhuman manner the subject matter is taught in!
- I think medical education should NOT rely on undergraduate years to
- humanize their charges. They should be bringing humanism to medical
- education itself. We have seen so many arrogant snobs on this
- net who are MDs have have reason to give pause when told the four
- undergraduate years somehow humanize a physician.
-
- Ofcourse it must also be said there a thousands of wonderfully
- rounded and compassionate physicians. Its the ones at the other end
- of the spectrum I wonder about.
-
- As a staff advisor I have been inside so many disputes between
- physician and non-physician that it makes me a little more
- than whistling Dixie when I speak.
-
-
-
- >--
- >| courtesy of Cease of the Not Well Defined at This Time |
- >| cease@unmb.bitnet cease@carina.unm.edu |
- >| We're only immortal for a limited time. - Rush |
- >**********************************************************
- --
- Gary E. Davis /WQ1F/
- Dpt. Electrical Engineering and Com Sciences
- University of Vermont @ Burlington
-