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- From: pdh@netcom.com (Phil Howard )
- Subject: Re: Fractint 17.2: Intere
- Message-ID: <1993Jan4.003945.25062@netcom.com>
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- References: <1398.1004.uupcb@satalink.com> <1993Jan3.074424.10220@netcom.com> <1993Jan3.163948.5047@Princeton.EDU>
- Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1993 00:39:45 GMT
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- grweiss@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Gregory Robert Weiss) writes:
-
- >Tim Wegner usually makes sure that the lastest version gets on wuarchive
- >(a mirror of SIMTEL) within a week of it coming out. You can find
- >Fractint 17.2 (the most recent version, about 6-9 months old) for ftp at
- >wuarchive.wustl.edu in /mirrors/msdos/graphics/frain172.zip.
-
- Ah!!! THIS was the problem. The NAME has been changed (to protect the
- innocent?). That was probably done a while back, too, I bet.
-
- What *IS* the official name of the program? If I tell someone that they
- can get a cool mandelbrot program that is fast, do I tell them to go find
- "fractint" or "frain"? I guess I better use the LATTER name, to avoid
- all this confusion.
-
- And I guess I should collect the list of all the sites I found "fractint.zip"
- on to alert their sysadmins to purge it (and get "frain" instead if they don't
- already have it).
-
-
-
- >>Since the file names on ftp site very rarely give the version, I have no
- >>clue as to which sites are up to date and which sites have just copied the
- >>file without preserving the date. I list the sites from archie and then
- >>just pick the largest one that has the most recent date and on my own
- >>continent if possible.
-
- >Hmm, my experience with fractint ftp-ing (all three years of it) is that
- >the files always have the version number in them. However, be aware
- >that you can't search archie for filenames with "fractint" in them; that'll
- >just give you listings for X-windows version (under unix usually, which
- >supports more than 8 letter filenames! :-) Try searching archie for
- >"frain" (short for FRActINt). It amazes me that some sites have versions
- >as old as version 12! I do count about 18 sites with Fractint 17.2, so
- >you should have no problem finding it.
-
- Apparently I got version 7.
-
- The problem is, again, that there was no clue in the name "fractint" to
- tell anyone that the search string is "frain". Interestingly enough,
- I did try one permutation while checking archie: "frint". Oh well.
-
- Here's a test. Someone just told you about a new program called "Zonkers"
- and it is now at version "13.6b". So what will you do to search for it
- based in just this information. There are a LOT of possible pernutations
- for this, and programs like archie WON'T permute for you (hint! hint!, but
- they are probably not reading this).
-
- I think the problem here is that "we" are using DOS limited file names as
- the keys for searching collection sites. Even though the site hosts can
- usually handle longer names (SIMTEL's TOPS-20 system can, as well as all
- decent versions of UNIX) that capability is not used. Of course there is
- a good reason... the names usually get assigned in the 8+3 environment and
- no site administrators have the time to go through and rename everything.
-
- I'll have to spend some time thinking about some workable solutions.
-
- My current thinking is to use the EXTENSION as the version, and let the
- archive programs figure out what format it is in. This would give some
- more room for the name. Another approach would be to add a bunch of
- keywords to the archives giving words to search for (such as in this
- case: fractal integer 32bit mandelbrot julia chaos). Then index builder
- programs can just automatically extract the keywords and construct an
- index of them. But I guess all of this is for some other newsgroup.
-
-
- >Assuming that you have an older version, I think you will appreciate the
- >greatly improved user interface! :-)
-
- I just got it and gave it a shot and it is MUCH nicer.
-
- BTW, I *APPRECIATE* the *LACK* of the drop shadow effects in the menus!!!!
-
- Also, thanks for the confidence that I was not going crazy about the
- available VESA modes in my machine. My *OWN* program reported the modes
- for 1024x768x256 and 1280x1024x16 as present, though I have not gotten
- it to display anything yet, and the FV (FullView) program refused to
- list those two as available (maybe I need a new version of that, too :)
-
- For those interested, the machine is a Gateway 2000 486SX-33 with the
- Western Digital SVGA (Paradise compatible) on the motherboard, and their
- new 15 (model 1572-FS)i nch monitor (the 14 inch will not do 1280x1024).
-
- Now to go grab the source and see how easy it will be to add 64 and 96
- bit integer arithmetic.
- --
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