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- From: mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman)
- Newsgroups: sci.environment,talk.politics.misc,alt.activism
- Subject: Re: Idiotic Japan Bashing
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- Date: 30 Dec 92 01:36:45 GMT
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- In article <1hq206INNq1f@spim.mti.sgi.com> mpolen@suntory.mti.sgi.com (Mike Polen) writes:
- >Michael Friedman) writes:
- >|> Tom Leylan) writes:
- >|> >mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman) writes:
- >|> > >jgacker@news.gsfc.nasa.gov (James G. Acker) writes:
- >|> > >>but Japan supposedly has a 100-year enviro-industry plan
-
- >|> >>I keep hearing this kind of bullshit. Does anyone out there really
- >|> >>believe it? After all, can you imagine the hundred year plan that a
- >|> >>business or company would have come up with in 1893?
-
- >|> >Michael, May I suggest that your difficulty in believing any particular
- >|> >thing is due to more to your upbringing and environment than anything
- >|> >else.
-
- >|> You can suggest it, but youy will find it hard to convince me.
-
- >|> >You take a trip to Germany and you sit yourself down in a brewery that
- >|> >has been brewing beer for 600 years and you get yourself a sense of
- >|> >continuity.
-
- >|> So? That does not mean that they can plan 100 years in advance.
-
- >Sure it does. They can say:
-
- > We will defeat the americans in basic manufacturing, even if
- > it takes 100 years. We will enact special legislation, interfere
- > with their governmental and commercial organizations, undercut
- > them, steal their patents, and take advantage of their stupid
- > ideas about free international trade. We will continue
- > to do this even if it takes 600 years until we beat them.
-
- >That is a 100+ year plan.
-
- Mike, please try to think things through. It's not that tough and it
- will prevent you from posting stupid things on the net.
-
- You might begin by learning to read the posts you respond to. The
- original argument was about corporate plans, not national plans.
-
- >I am not saying this happened, but there is not reason to believe it
- >couldn't happen.
-
- Sure there is.
-
- 1. When do you think they came up with this 100 year plan? Some time
- after WWII? In that case, what happened to the previous 100 year
- plan?
-
- 2. Who, exactly, are the champions of this plan within Japan? The
- Liberal Democratic Party? If so, then how will they convince
- the political opposition to support this plan, or do you think they
- intend to remain in power for the next 100 to 600 years? If not, then
- how, exactly, did they negotiate this with the other parties?
-
- 3. Is this plan written down anywhere? If so, then how do they plan
- on keeping it secret for 100+ years? If not, then how do they plan to
- make sure that future generations understnad and follow it? Word of
- mouth?
-
- 4. Many economists (we can argue over whether or not it is a
- majority) honestly believe that the US ideas about free international
- trade are more beneficial to us, in the long run, than any form of
- protectionism can possibly be. How do the people who made this 100
- year plan intend to make sure that this view does not come to prevail
- in Japan?
-
- 5. Please define "Japan". Does it include Okinawa? What about the
- NICs?
-
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